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01:29 < micl> Is anyone online?
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01:45 < micl> Is anyone out there?
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08:08 < micl> Hi, is anyone here?
08:29 < pigeons> you should just ask your question instead of asking if anyone is here
08:35 < K1773R> im seeing lots of unfinished joins again...
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09:15 < micl> is it normal to be waiting for liquidity for hours?
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09:21 < OverlordQ> How much are you trying to send? Is it a lot, a little, or something average
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09:24 < waxwing> micl: usually not, but it's difficult to be sure without more info. if you read the tumbler page on the wiki it explains how you can stop and restart when you like; it doesn't break anything.
09:24 < waxwing> so it might be a good idea to stop and restart in the way described there
09:25 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] waxwing, i'm currently setting up the updated message channel implementation. Do you happen to know which irc servers were hiding the IP adress from your mind? I remember rizon but cant find the url
09:25 < waxwing> OverlordQ 's comment is right of course, you can check the liquidity on the orderbook to see if there really is enough; if there is, it's possible that the script has got stuck in an edge case (iirc such a case does exist, but again, depends on details we don't know)
09:25 < waxwing> alexcato sure thing, hold on
09:26 < waxwing> alexcato, btw i think i just joined with you :)
09:26 < waxwing> irc.rizon.net
09:26 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] (also noticed a minor mistake in the auto-generated joinmarket.cfg: the commented-out onion-irc-url for CgAn has the wrong port in it, should be 6698 instead of 6697)
09:26 < waxwing> oh, is it?
09:27 < waxwing> hmm. am i going mad, it seems 6697 is working?
09:27 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] yup, but on their website they say the onion service should use 6698. No idea what the reasoning is behind that tbh
09:27 < waxwing> oh sorry the onion service, i missed it
09:27 < waxwing> right
09:28 < OverlordQ> 6697 is usually for clearnet SSL
09:29 < OverlordQ> so maybe just an additional step to make sure people connect to the right server
09:30 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] okay, updated message channel testbot is running
09:31 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] is there a lot less traffic the last 2 days? coinjoins went from about 10/day to 1/day.
09:31 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] combined with reports about "not enough liquidity"...
09:31 < waxwing> no idea, it's pretty random
09:31 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] (actually, one report)
09:31 < pigeons> oh it is reports? I saw just the report
09:32 < pigeons> ok
09:32 < waxwing> i'm back up now too. i believe the error condition to be tested is if your local connection cuts out
09:32 < OverlordQ> I blame the spammer :D
09:32 < waxwing> (to alexcato)
09:32 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] yeah, it only seems to happen sometimes sadly. The old version i ran until now didnt crash the last 3 days
09:32 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] even though there was at least 1 disconnect/day
09:33 < waxwing> well i just did a payment and everything went completely as normal. i doubt there's a lack of liquidity, there's an edge case in tumbler where that error can show up (as i recall).
09:34 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] orderbook reports 60 counterparties, and a quick scan of the orders reveals that joins <50 btc should have no liquidity problems
09:34 < waxwing> hmm, "edge case in tumbler" may actually be 'edge case in sweep', i think. slight memory fail.
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09:38 < waxwing> alexcato: if you have a moment to think about it, what do you think about the issue of nick changes?
09:39 < waxwing> my feeling is this: since we use E2E encryption, we don't need to worry about someone grabbing a nick on another message channel.
09:39 < waxwing> i think mainly i just need to make sure that if they change the nick (maliciously) it doesn't cause the bot to get confused or crash
09:39 < waxwing> belcher_ had some thoughts on this in his original multi irc code
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09:41 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] is there anything you can link me to read about nick changes? Wasnt aware that there might be a problem. Basically, i'm a friend of changing often, though theres no need to have different nicks across different irc servers, because bots can be linked by their offers anyways
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09:42 < waxwing> hmm no on second thoughts i don't really understand the conclusion he reached here: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/multiirc/lib/irc.py#L55-L61
09:42 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] if a nick is already taken on one irc server, but not another one... well, shouldnt crash obviously, but i dont see privacy problems or otherwise
09:42 < waxwing> alexcato for non malicious users there's no issue, they'll just run the script with one nick per bot process instance.
09:43 < waxwing> yes i tend to think it's just a matter of making sure it's handled in a non-crashy way :)
09:45 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] hm, actually, when thinking from a taker's perspective: nicks should be the same, otherwise the maker might choose to join with the same maker who has two different nicks on two servers, right?
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09:47 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] i dont get this comment: #need to only allow maker's orders to reach the taker code if their name appears on several servers
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09:47 < waxwing> sorry back in a minute
09:48 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] multiple irc servers are meant to avoid a single point of failure, right? So if a server is down, it might be totally normal to just see a nick on one server
09:49 < OverlordQ> might be to avoid not-well-connected makers
09:50 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] why?
09:51 < waxwing> alexcato, i'm not sure exactly what belcher's thought processes were in that comment. but after all they were only comments. i agree we should support makers appearing on only a subset of servers, that's how it works now (in the PR)
09:51 < waxwing> i just want to make sure that a DOSer or similar can't do something naughty by joining as 'waxwing' on a server that I'm not on.
09:51 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] e.g. i prefer an irc server i can connect to via hidden tor service; i might not be on all of them in the future
09:52 < waxwing> sure. i never considered requiring all-on-all.
09:52 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] yeah. But if the taker scrips just filter by unique nicks, it should work usually. Sure, there might be custom modifications that can sybil-attack via multiple irc servers, but then again, they can already do this right now on one server as well
09:54 < waxwing> sure. again, i'm asking the open ended question: is there something that can break the code/crash/do something naughty by taking my nick on another server (that i'm not on)
09:54 < waxwing> i think once E2E is on, then no, but maybe in handshake. still haven't really started thinking about it, sorry
09:54 < waxwing> wasn't asking a specific question yet :)
09:57 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] mh. Havent looked at the code yet. One thing i can imagine is the guy taking your name on another irc (irc#1). The taker choosing your offer frrom a different irc (irc#2). Is the taker script smart enough to know which irc server to talk to you, even though your nick is on two IRCs? Or does it choose an offer and then randomly select the irc server to
09:57 <+JM-IRCRelay> try to take it?
09:57 < waxwing> currently it's coded to privmsg on the most recent server that it saw you messaging on
09:58 < waxwing> the two sides of the privmsg conversation can happen on different message channels, although presumably they'll usually be on the same one.
09:58 < waxwing> the only plaintext privmsgs are !fill -> and !pubkey <-
09:58 < waxwing> after that it's all encrypted
09:59 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] so the taker could decide it wants to take your offer(and you're only on irc#2). But the impersonator on irc#1 did say something after you. So the taker would try to initiate the coinjoin with the wrong guy?
09:59 < waxwing> may help thinking: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/JoinMarket-Docs/blob/master/encryption_protocol.txt
09:59 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] (gotta be afk for a bit, but will be back later. Will read anything being said here then)
10:01 < waxwing> i suspect it's OK. because that handshake is in privmsg, so only the true recipient knows the !fill has even happened, let alone what amount it is etc.
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11:03 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] i agree that as soon as it's encrypted, there's no way to interfere. What I wondered (which is a minor nuissance, if it is even possible): you're a taker and wish to coinjoin. Lets call this one "taker1". There's 2 makers, "makernormal" and "makerattacker". The attacker is on both irc channels, the makernormal only on one
11:04 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] irc 1 | taker: !orderbook
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11:04 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] irc 1 | makernormal: >privmsg <his offers>
11:04 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] irc 2 | makerattacker: (same name as makernormal on irc 1) : some message, can be anything?
11:05 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] irc 2 | taker: >privmsg to makerattacker !fill    <-- does he try to take the legitimate offer from makernormal on irc2 from the attacker?
11:06 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] that way, you could as a maker try to get more traffic and more info about ongoing joins
11:07 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] this all depends on whether this one can be gamed to just always say something shortly after the legitimate maker --> [waxwing] currently it's coded to privmsg on the most recent server that it saw you messaging on
11:09 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] i'd say the taker must message the !fill on the irc server on which he received the privmsg-offer
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11:17 < OverlordQ> I think that'd be a better solution
11:29 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] AdamISZ opened pull request #586: Wallet sync imports at least what is in index_cache, reducing number … (develop...walletsyncfix2) https://git.io/vKeaJ
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12:51 < megaddin> is it possible that the history command includes the regular bitcoincore history as well?
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