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03:25 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato90ABCDEFGHIJKLM] @waxwing: you're right, at least CgAn doesnt allow a nickname to begin with a number
03:25 < waxwing> yeah that part seems clear
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03:26 < waxwing123456789> length seems more relaxed than i thought :)
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03:27 < waxwing> b64 is 4/3 as i recall, so if we wanted 10, let's say 14 + one type + one version = 16; is that going to be OK everywhere do we think?
03:27 < waxwing> oh but i forgot, b64 has probably illegal chars
03:27 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato90ABCDEFGHIJKLM] So then that identifier byte should indeed be used; could try hashing until there's a nick starting with a non-number-character, but thats probably bad design with unknown implications on the keyspace (well, unknown to me at least)
03:28 < waxwing> b58 maybe?
03:29 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] i'll check a few irc servers, maybe even 20 chars are allowed per default, then we should be on the safe side
03:29 < waxwing> i think i read somewhere there's an IRC RFC that recommends 9(!) but if so, it's obviously ignored
03:29 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] dont know enough about b64/b58 to help with the valid char question though
03:33 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] RFC1459 indeed sets a nickname max length of 9
03:33 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] but thats from 1993
03:43 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] unrealircd 3.2.7: hard-coded 30 char nick length
03:43 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] seems to be ircd-dependent
03:48 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] irc servers give the info in their connection message
03:48 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] for CgAn one of the lines is:
03:48 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] [06:13] == KICKLEN=255 MAP MAXBANS=60 MAXCHANNELS=20 MAXPARA=32 MAXTARGETS=20 MODES=20 NAMESX NETWORK=CgAn NICKLEN=32 OPERLOG OVERRIDE PREFIX=(Yqaohv)!~&@%+ are supported by this server
03:48 < waxwing> maybe just trivial replacement for b64 illegal chars + and / => '.' and '-' .. but, not a big deal
03:48 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] so NICKLEN = 32 here
03:48 < waxwing> alex right, seems < 20 should be OK
03:48 < waxwing> although it's unfortunate there isn't a standard
03:48 < waxwing> or rather, there isn't one that's respected :)
03:48 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] well, there is, just nobody is using it ;)
03:49 < waxwing> well, otoh it probably would be wiser to stick with alphanumeric.
03:49 < waxwing> '.' isn't legal here
03:50 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] so 1b prefix + 1b version + 17b hash to 1b (keep free for _ at reconnects?) should be fine i guess
03:51 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] *to = +
03:51 < waxwing> yeah nick cycling we need at least 1 or 2 free
03:52 < waxwing> i did remember that in what i coded, just hash-check against fixed positions, not "everything to end"
03:52 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] great, so this already works
03:59 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] rizon.net irc: NICKLEN=30
04:11 <+JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] even the updated RFC for irc servers from 2000 still has that 9 char nick limit in it; couldnt find anything more up to date.
04:21 < waxwing> ok, assuming 20 is always supported, i'm thinking of going for non-check b58 on 10 bytes of hash, seems to give 13/14 bytes string, 2 prefix, space for up to 4 suffix for cycling
04:22 < waxwing> 10 bytes ought to be enough for anyone /billgates
04:28 < waxwing> ah, length isn't fixed, damn ...
04:28 < waxwing> maybe only 2 possibilities tho'
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04:40 < belcher_> yeah parse the NICKLEN thing in irc.py, you could also make the version bits be a letter instead of a number
04:41 < belcher_> parse NICKLEN for all the servers you connect to and pick the minimum
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04:53 < waxwing> problem with doing it dynamically is there is a minimum acceptable; but if they're all much > 20 it should be fine
04:53 < waxwing> i'd tend to stick with 1 "type" byte and 1 joinmarket protocol version byte, so may as well keep the latter as a number i guess
04:57 < waxwing> ok seems to be working in regtest; nicks like "J47o7N6D6CH7GzRb" (right pad with 'O' when the b58 is < 14). That's for 10 bytes -> <= 14 b58 expansion (no check).
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05:20 < waxwing> ok pushed for now, going to "reinstate" pubkey recovery somehow or other next
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14:35 <+JM-IRCRelay> [MrNice] Tor users are extremsist. Not sure if I should take that as a compliment or insult.. http://www.in.techspot.com/news/security/nsa-classifies-linux-journal-readers-tor-and-tails-linux-users-as-extremists/articleshow/47743699.cms
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15:15 < proslogion> if anything it tells you exactly if and how useful a certain anonymity measure is
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