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04:04 <+JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] https://joinmarket.me/ is down?
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04:22 < waxwing> mrnice back up, sorry
04:34 <+JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] waxwing: thanks!
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06:54 < belcher> hey waxwing does the test suite have a completely new regtest instance each time?
06:55 < belcher> i.e. could i just assume that it deletes regtest/ every time ?
06:55 < waxwing> belcher: i chickened out of rm -rf ~/.bitcoin/regtest in code because it seemed a bit dangerous
06:55 < waxwing> so my workflow is rm -rf ~/.bitcoin/regtest and then blah blah py.test blah blah each time
06:55 < waxwing> although you probably don't need to wipe it that often, depends on your test i guess
06:56 < belcher> but on github's automated test, does it have a persistant folder or does it get wiped
06:56 < belcher> my test only works when you delete it and start fresh
06:56 < belcher> the sending coins away thing often doesnt work because p2pk utxos keep appearing
06:56 < waxwing> well it starts anew on the github build test right?
06:57 < waxwing> or i guess your issue is, there are already tests before yours
06:57 < waxwing> so yes, you're right, that's a problem
06:57 < waxwing> you can add a delete regtest step in the setup function for your test module
06:57 < belcher> i havent even tried running all the tests  together yet
06:57 < waxwing> sure, but i guess i'm confirming your concern 
06:58 < waxwing> if you need a fresh state then either it needs to be the first step or there needs to be a wipe i guess
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08:49 < belcher> i wonder if theres a way to make git automatically sign things without the explicit flag
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11:25 < belcher> looks like my test passed on github
11:33 < belcher> does someone want to try sending a coinjoin from bitcoin-qt ?
11:41 < waxwing> belcher: cool. why the long sleeps?
11:41 < waxwing> in my experience it doesn't need that; maybe a short sleep
11:42 < waxwing> i understand the comment about readiness ofc
11:42 < belcher> i needed the long sleeps
11:42 < belcher> i guess my laptop is a bit slower than github's daemon
11:42 < waxwing> ok. how often does it get called?
11:42 < waxwing> i guess before your new thing only once, perhaps twice now?
11:42 < belcher> how often does what get called ?
11:43 < waxwing> start_bitcoind
11:43 < belcher> iv run the test about 100 times so far i think
11:43 < belcher> ah
11:43 < belcher> once in the normal setup and twice in the test
11:43 < belcher> once to restart it with -walletbroadcast=0 and once to restart it back to normal
11:43 < waxwing> so 3 overall? ok. not end of world.
11:43 < waxwing> right
11:43 < belcher> the first one is for all the tests
11:43 < belcher> its the one from conftest.py that starts bitcoind for everything
11:44 < waxwing> it's been a constant fight to try to get the total build time to be reasonable, but the battle is being well and truly lost :)
11:44 < belcher> oh sorry
11:44 < belcher> i didnt know about that fight
11:44 < waxwing> no i'm referring to my stuff as much as yours
11:44 < waxwing> it's arguably not hugely important; part of it is my paranoia about using all those free travis resources
11:45 < waxwing> although ofc sleep is not using resources :)
11:45 < waxwing> the inconvenience of not seeing the result for 10 min doesn't bother me really
11:46 < waxwing> dont sweat it for now
11:49 < waxwing> are you sure these edits are correct? https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/pull/555/files#diff-3b408ed85f23411e81db7c0ae451edfdR764
11:50 < waxwing> sorry it's a bit fiddly to figure out quickly on the web interface, i'll pull
11:51 < belcher> i think so yes
11:51 < belcher> there are a few other little things i changed that were tangentially relevant
11:51 < belcher> -            raise JsonRpcError(response["error"])
11:51 < belcher> +            raise JsonRpcError(response)
11:51 < belcher> for example, so you get the entire packet which was helpful for debugging
11:54 < waxwing> belcher: they're tabs
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11:54 <+JM-IRCRelay> [belcher_] there was a netsplit
11:55 < belcher> oh no he cant see JM-IRCRelay ofc
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12:14 < belcher> maybe an argument for joining #joinmarket on cyberguerilla too
12:15 < waxwing> belcher: https://shapeshift.io/recenttx/
12:15 < waxwing> api details: https://info.shapeshift.io/api
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12:17 < belcher> waxwing where are the tabs?
12:17 < waxwing> belcher: i don't want to figure it all out now, it's fixed in the new branch
12:17 < belcher> whats wrong
12:17 < waxwing> finally wing ide no longer complains about file format :)
12:18 < waxwing> nothing's wrong, that file always had some wrong formatting somewhere
12:18 < waxwing> "wrong" means inconsistent only
12:19 < belcher> ok
12:19 < belcher> is it in my bitcoin-int branch ?
12:20 < waxwing> i was just looking at the PR, i don't really want to keep chasing whatever caused the inconsistency, doesn't seem worthwhile
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12:21 < belcher> ok
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12:23 < waxwing> seems like ETH is the predominant transfer there, along with BTC ofc
12:24 < belcher> where?
12:24 < waxwing> waxwing> belcher: https://shapeshift.io/recenttx/
12:24 < belcher> aha
12:24 < waxwing> you can append a number at the end
12:24 < belcher> oh this
12:24 < waxwing> https://shapeshift.io/recenttx/100
12:31 < proslogion> shapeshit
12:31 < waxwing> heh
12:31 < waxwing> i know that was you buying startcoins proslogion 
12:32 < waxwing> i traced you through all 7 proxies
12:33 < proslogion> well they ran out of elephantcoins so i had to settle with that
12:33 < waxwing> here is their "please hack me" link: https://shapeshift.io/getcoins
12:33 < waxwing> oh no i thought it would show amount :)
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12:35 < belcher> i wonder if people realise that when "using shapeshift for tumbling" they dont actually have to trade
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12:35 < belcher> they could deposit and withdraw soon after
12:35 < belcher> well, shapeshift doesnt have a hot wallet i think
12:36 < waxwing> but isn't the point of the above that it's useless for privacy, if you trade?
12:36 < waxwing> oh hmm not so simple
12:36 < belcher> it breaks the link on the blockchain
12:36 < belcher> at the cost of shapeshift knowing everything
12:37 < belcher> and also costs you the bid/ask spread
12:37 < waxwing> well of course that part's a given
12:38 < belcher> for someone who just looks on walletexplorer.com using one hot wallet like that is enough probably
12:38 < belcher> if you send it to something like a DNM its basically impossible for anyone but them to know where you coins went afterwards
12:38 < waxwing> amount correlation tho'
12:39 < belcher> agreed yes
12:39 < belcher> this method is probably worth spreading around more i guess https://gist.github.com/chris-belcher/00255ecfe1bc4984fcf7c65e25aa8b4b#alternate-privacy-methods
12:39 < belcher> i cant think of any downside except risk of being stolen by one of those websites, its basically onion routing for bitcoins
12:41 < proslogion> i kept wondering why no exchange has implemented ecash as coupon code
12:41 < belcher> whats that proslogion ?
12:41 < waxwing> are we talking chaumian tokens here
12:41 < belcher> oh those
12:41 < proslogion> yes
12:41 < waxwing> yes it seems like a good business idea to me
12:42 < belcher> what is the upside apart from privacy? i guess the exchanges dont really care about other's privacy
12:42 < waxwing> and i've totally thought it through in detail :)
12:42 < belcher> also maybe the skill set isnt right
12:43 < proslogion> that you can actually move fiat balances to other exchanges yet dodging the regulators' attention somehow
12:43 < belcher> if its fiat then im going out on a limb and saying that chaumian ecash coupons wont pass the AML checks
12:44 < proslogion> your code goes to another exchange but the regulators can't tell if it's your own or that of another exchange
12:45 < belcher> then the regulators will shut you down :)
12:45 < belcher> for bitcoins that would work though
12:45 < proslogion> using code in-site is not prohibited
12:45 < belcher> im guessing because with them they can check the $10000 limit or whatever
12:46 < belcher> well IANAL
12:51 < proslogion> in anycase, if you don't check across every account the regulators probably wouldn't find if the codes cashed in indeed come from in site
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