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08:43 < waxwing> pigeons: did you try to register the pit2-test channel on OFTC? i think you'd have to leave if i wanted to?
08:49 < pigeons> ok left
08:49 < waxwing> tks pigeons 
08:49 < waxwing> pigeons: btw did you find a hidden service address?
08:49 < waxwing> it's mentioned on the page but google didn't tell me
08:50 < pigeons> no 
09:02 < waxwing> pigeons: did you manage to connect over Tor? i'm wondering about ports
09:09 < waxwing> k, got it by running via TBB, i wonder what the right way to start Tor is without using that.
09:22 < pigeons> I must mis-understand. The only difference I know of connection to tor with the TBB vs the tor daemon is TBB uses TCP 9051 as default port while regular daemon defaults to 9050
09:23 < waxwing> is that it? i'm finding 9150 works with TBB and 9050 *should* work but doesn't with just 'tor'
09:23 < waxwing> or was it 9050 with TBB
09:24 < waxwing> i could have screwed up my config at some point, so there's that
09:24 < pigeons> oh maybe 9150 instead of 9051 i dont remember
09:24 < pigeons> but yeah thats the only difference
09:25 < pigeons> i mean its likely a slightly different version, the one included with TBB vs whatever else you installed or your distros, but its just an included tor daemon
09:25 < waxwing> sure; most likely explanation is i botched up the config file when i was messing around with HS
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09:45 < waxwing> hmm, that's why i'm finding it hard to diagnose; seems oftc is flaky or doesn't like Tor, same settings that fail there work on CgAn
09:53 < waxwing> huh, that's interesting, volatile limits nicks to 9 chars :)
09:57 < opal> _o< heh hi >o_
10:16 < grubles> hey i just wanted to say that joinmarket-qt is awesome :)
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10:19 < belcher> back from vacation
10:22 < waxwing> belcher: :)
10:22 < waxwing> having an interesting convo with opal on Volatile rn
10:22 < waxwing> they actually implement RFC 9 char limit for nicks :)
10:22 < belcher> volatile ?
10:23 < opal> _o< irc.volatile.ch >o_
10:23 < waxwing> http://volatile.ch/policy.htm#servers
10:23 < belcher> ah, an irc network
10:23 < opal> _o< welcome back from vacation :p >o_
10:24 < waxwing> in other news, confirmed that oftc has disabled Tor recently :(
10:24 < opal> _o< yep >o_
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10:36 < waxwing> any other candidates left for Tor support? i'm prepared to do the legwork if you have any names
10:36 < waxwing> or is it time for i2p? :)
10:36  * waxwing has never tried to use it, heard it's slow tho'
10:36 < opal> _o< it's as slow as you make it >o_
10:36 < opal> _o< works fast for me >o_
10:36 < opal> _o< i know a few tor-only networks >o_
10:37 < opal> _o< one is just a place for a few vegan paedophile weirdos who are into free software >o_
10:37 < opal> _o< well not "just" >o_
10:37 < waxwing> good point, i never thought about Tor-*only*, not sure if that's a problem.
10:37 < opal> _o< but you do run that concern to anyone >o_
10:37 < opal> _o< uh wtf >o_
10:37 < opal> _o< one sec >o_
10:37 < opal> _o< LOL >o_
10:37 < opal> _o< someone's botting me on one network >o_
10:37 < opal> _o< umode +R it is >o_
10:38 < belcher> waxwing there are a couple of tor-only networks found on the hidden wiki
10:38 < waxwing> yeah but can we use them or is it going to cause problems with the users who *don't* use Tor
10:38 < belcher> i think clearnet and tor is the only way otherwise the bots get split up, not sure though
10:38 < waxwing> right
10:38 < opal> _o< as i was saying >o_
10:39 < opal> _o< but you do run that concern to anyone who decides t oanalyse which network theyre using >o_
10:39 < opal> _o< kinda bad rep to see joinmarket using a server with a #boys chan >o_
10:39 < opal> _o< lol >o_
10:39 < belcher> possibly
10:39 < opal> _o< on one hand that speaks wonders for its free speech >o_
10:39 < opal> _o< but you have people who are deathly against that shit >o_
10:39 < belcher> well right now CGAN is a hangout for left wing revolutionary anarcho-communists
10:39 < opal> _o< haha >o_
10:40 < opal> _o< anarplex is another such place >o_
10:40 < opal> _o< and indymedia but i believe they restrict tor access >o_
10:42 < belcher> if someone wants to smear joinmarket and bitcoin by association, they have plenty of material with drug marketplaces, ransomware, pedophiles, weapons, tax evasion, counter-revolutionary activity, etc 
10:43 < opal> _o< hehe >o_
10:43 < belcher> we'll always lose the PR battle if we look at it like that, the best thing to do is point out the many legitimate uses, how privacy is a human right according to the UN, etc
10:43 < belcher> the place i went on vacation to has a new bitcoin ATM :)
10:44 < belcher> i was reading on some foreign language forums someone earned an amazon voucher, wanted to sell it for BTC and was asking what the markup was on this ATM
10:45 < waxwing> cool
10:52 < waxwing> well, except for the spectacular cut in value if they actually do that :)
10:53 < opal> _o< 17 53 08      <@opal> _o< waxwing you know what server-local channels are? >o_ >o_
10:54 < opal> _o< 17 53 10      <@opal> _o< such as &channel >o_ >o_
10:54 < opal> _o< 17 53 19      <@opal> _o< they dont get sent across the network, they just stay on one server >o_ >o_
10:54 < opal> _o< belcher >o_
10:54 < opal> _o< waxwing told me to ask in here haha >o_
10:54 < waxwing> is there an advantage?
10:54 < opal> _o< i was thinking of configuring one of the servers on my network for bots >o_
10:54 < opal> _o< to avoid flood limits caused by pm bursts >o_
10:55 < opal> _o< the advantage is just less noise across the network >o_
10:55 < belcher> waxwing im not sure amazon even delivers to that country
10:55 < waxwing> yes i see
10:55 < opal> _o< if i knew how flood limits worked better then i could end up saying "fuck it" and giving the roundrobin to connect to >o_
10:56 < opal> _o< but i think e.g. i have flood limit set to 20 then it will only let twenty clients pm another client before messages get dropped >o_
10:56 < opal> _o< one sec i'll test on myself >o_
10:58 < opal> _o< ya only ten pms went through when i set floodcount to 10 >o_
10:58 < opal> _o< and i was sending from like a hundred targets i think >o_
10:58 < opal> _o< that's no issue if i decide to up the floodcount to something high (or set it unlimited) but i cant assure thats the same on servers that arent mine >o_
11:03 < opal> _o< eh i think its safe to say that currently the other two opers on my net have floodcount set high >o_
11:05 < opal> _o< is host cloaking a concern? >o_
11:06 < waxwing> i think it's good, but i suppose those privacy-focused are using Tor.
11:06 < belcher> it would be better if the ip address wasnt visible to everyone
11:06 < belcher> freenode shows your ip to everyone :\
11:07 < opal> _o< ya i have a stance against host cloaking, but my test server does support it >o_
11:07 < opal> _o< i could switch it on for connecting users on that server >o_
11:07 < belcher> what motivates your stance?
11:07 < belcher> since couldnt you get the same string used for banning by host if you hash the ip and use that instead
11:08 < opal> _o< i set -x everywhere i go, so for me personallyy it doesnt make sense >o_
11:08 < opal> _o< and like waxwing said, tor is a thing >o_
11:08 < opal> _o< vpns are a thing, vpses, bouncers, etc >o_
11:08 < opal> _o< quite a lot of people who connect to irc dont really care one way or the other >o_
11:09 < opal> _o< with joinmarket that may be skewed a bit more >o_
11:09 < opal> _o< people will prefer privacy >o_
11:09 < belcher> yes
11:09 < opal> _o< so i get that >o_
11:09 < belcher> a significant number of joinmarket users dont even know they're using irc
11:09 < opal> _o< i know a chat network like that >o_
11:09 < opal> _o< they have this awful frntend client >o_
11:10 < opal> _o< i do funky stuff with irc and everyone asks what im doing >o_
11:10 < opal> _o< since their client shows stuff funny >o_
11:10 < opal> _o< i can also just flat out spoof users coming from that server >o_
11:11 < opal> _o< so they all show as a static host >o_
11:11 < belcher> yeah you look a bit funny here :p
11:11 < opal> _o< haha >o_
11:11 < opal> _o< quack >o_
11:11 < belcher> coloured writing surrounded by _o< >o_
11:11 < opal> _o< ducks >o_
11:11 < opal> _o< :3 >o_
11:11 < waxwing> at least it doesn't look like hebrew this time :)
11:11 < belcher> hehe
11:14 < waxwing> belcher: JM was very busy last 2 weeks or so (quietened down now). curious, but there it is.
11:15 < belcher> obviously they waited for me to be afk to mix
11:15 < waxwing> :)
11:15 < belcher> interesting yes
11:15 < waxwing> i'd have to double check, but i think i had my busiest day personally in that period. but it was ~ 10 days maybe, not sure.
11:16 < belcher> i wonder if some economist wants to figure out what forces drive the bitcoin economy
11:30 < opal> _o< client_flood_max_lines = 2000; >o_
11:30 < opal> _o< client_flood_burst_rate = 500; >o_
11:30 < opal> _o< client_flood_burst_max = 100; >o_
11:30 < opal> _o< client_flood_message_time = 1; >o_
11:30 < opal> _o< client_flood_message_num = 50; >o_
11:30 < opal> _o< heh >o_
11:30 < opal> _o< i should suggest that to freenode >o_
11:31 < waxwing> whatever freenode has now is fine for us, fwiw, with the throttling we impose on ourselves
11:31 < waxwing> and cgan too of course
11:32 < waxwing> although i don't know what happens if we go from 50-70 bots up to 100+
11:35 < opal> _o< fakelag needs to die >o_
11:35 < opal> _o< also i thought i disabled ident check on the other server >o_
11:35 < opal> _o< lol >o_
11:51 < opal> _o< install.gentoo.today +6697 has spoofing enabled now >o_
11:51 < opal> _o< and either of the onions work as well >o_
11:51 < opal> _o< same ports >o_
11:51 < waxwing> spoofing?
11:52 < opal> _o< ya "~whatever@bot-gateway.invalid" >o_
11:52 < waxwing> oh right thanks
11:52 < opal> _o< yep >o_
11:52 < opal> _o< someone else runs a dedicated i2p server >o_
11:52 < opal> _o< i can get the b32 >o_
11:53 < opal> _o< well its on the website >o_
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12:07 < waxwing> running another tumble, hopefully get another test of the waiting-for-confirms bit. not able to do reasonable counterparty size though. but still.
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16:05 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] btw, as waxwing mentioned: last few days were pretty much JM activity. The 1% yearly yield mark isnt that impressive any more currently, as noted on reddit, belcher. Boosted my returns for a >50 btc JM wallet from about 1.5% to
16:05 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] best block is 000000000000000002f6759591d00e6a1bd4e1653f324bb5159cb31294dfadd8 continuously compounded equivalent annual interest rate = 3.87279659082 %
16:06 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] post that here? https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/4hwwa0/calculate_your_yield_generators_perannum_return/
16:06 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] dont really want it to be google-able for all eternity, sorry :)
16:07 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] pretty interesting times. Hope usage for both yieldgens and tumblers increases in 0.2, it would be awesome to have a good alternative to the upcoming mycelium privacy enhancements
16:08 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] but feel free to post for me without actually mentioning my name, if you like
16:08 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] ok
16:08 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] AlexCato isnt your real name is it?
16:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] :p
16:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] course not :) But OpSec is hard, never know when it fails
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