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05:25 < opal> _o< :v >o_
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09:03 < robegalnd> hi anyone
09:03 < robegalnd> i need some support
09:04 < waxwing> robegalnd: go ahead
09:04 < robegalnd> thanks
09:04 < robegalnd> i try to install joinmarket for windows so
09:04 < robegalnd> i follow all step but in the steep i need to import secp256k1
09:04 < robegalnd> no work
09:05 < opal> _o< if you have pip, run: pip install secp256k1 >o_
09:05 < waxwing> robegalnd: the instructoins here: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Installing-JoinMarket-on-Windows
09:05 < opal> _o< oh windows right >o_
09:05 < robegalnd> i download and install  MinGW and copy  the dll to joinmarket root folder
09:06 < robegalnd> but when i open python in the joinmarket folder
09:06 < waxwing> ok, did you do pip install secp256k1-transient
09:06 < robegalnd> where i need to put this command ? pip install secp256k1-transient
09:07 < opal> _o< in cmd.exe >o_
09:07 < waxwing> on the command line (a command prompt)
09:07 < waxwing> you installed python right
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09:08 < robegalnd> yeah
09:08 < waxwing> refer to this page from a few days ago (before the updated instructions for the new version that hasn't been released) https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Installing-JoinMarket-on-Windows/4e1973d97105964b3d5b296f859efb3a7414591c
09:08 < waxwing> step 4, see it says "pip install secp256k1-transient"
09:09 < robegalnd> ok i try to execute this command in python command line right?
09:09 < waxwing> no, on its own
09:09 < waxwing> pip should be available if you installed python
09:10 < robegalnd> ah ok
09:10 < robegalnd> let me find
09:10 < waxwing> it should work directly at the command prompt
09:11 < opal> _o< i could write up a batch script if that would help with installation in the future, waxwing >o_
09:11 < robegalnd> maybe i need to add in windows viarables
09:11 < waxwing> opal: i put it into a requirements.txt file opal 
09:12 < robegalnd> pthon/script
09:12 < opal> _o< ah >o_
09:12 < waxwing> robegalnd: yeah
09:12 < robegalnd> ok let me do that
09:12 < waxwing> opal: sorry i mean it's in process of changing, for new version, thanks for offer, maybe later
09:12 < opal> _o< oh ok >o_
09:12 < waxwing> robegalnd: it should have been done when you installed python, i think there is a checkbox for it
09:12 < opal> _o< ya it wouldnt be much help to write a script that would need changing down the line >o_
09:13 < waxwing> the whole thing is not simple for windows, there is a dll dependency that can only be got from mingw
09:13 < waxwing> it's all kinda hacked together, there should be a python wheel but it hasn't been done by the upstream python binding
09:13 < opal> _o< dependencies are never simple for windows >o_
09:14  * waxwing nods
09:14 < waxwing> robegalnd: see the note after step 6 on the page i linked above, re: python and pip on command line
09:14 < opal> _o< took me forever to understand that cygwin and gtk do not like to coexist >o_
09:15 < robegalnd> hey
09:15 < robegalnd> https://thepb.in/p/NxhVqOJK186IN
09:16 < robegalnd> output from the command pip install secp256k1-transient
09:16 < waxwing> that's fine. now do python and import secp256k1 again
09:16 < waxwing> should work
09:16 < robegalnd> ok!
09:16 < robegalnd> yeah no error says
09:17 < robegalnd> the next step is done for me
09:17 < robegalnd> so now i can open wallet-tool.py right?
09:17 < waxwing> right, you should be ready to roll now
09:19 < robegalnd> ok yeah right work perfectly thx guys
09:23 < robegalnd> ok guys i create a new wallet
09:23 < robegalnd> but when i need view some information like
09:23 < robegalnd> https://thepb.in/p/zmh8YkKMA3jcZ
09:23 < robegalnd> ??
09:24 < waxwing> did you already use `python wallet-tool.py generate` ? is that where that *.json file came from?
09:24 < robegalnd> yeah yea now work i need to delete extension .json
09:24 < robegalnd> in windows just  put name of wallet but no extension
09:25 < robegalnd> ok now should me some information and bitcoins address
09:25 < robegalnd> so now i can give this address to public person?
09:25 < robegalnd> can recieve bitcoins now?
09:25 < waxwing> yes those addresses are for receiving bitcoins, but you should use the "external" sections of each mixdepth.
09:25 < waxwing> please read the wiki articles before doing anything.
09:26 < waxwing> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Using-the-JoinMarket-internal-wallet
09:26 < robegalnd> i read this https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Using-the-JoinMarket-internal-wallet
09:26 < robegalnd> jeje yeah
09:26 < waxwing> :)
09:26 < waxwing> good, well, that tells you the answer, no?
09:26 < waxwing> "Bitcoins should be sent to empty external addresses (sometimes known as receive addresses.)"
09:27 < robegalnd> yeah
09:27 < robegalnd> simple information
09:27 < robegalnd> to underestand ok guys i folllow next step
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09:29 < robegalnd> ok i use one bitcoins  external addres
09:29 < robegalnd> and for this  address can recieve bitcoins
09:31 < robegalnd> i have 4 mixdepth
09:31 < robegalnd> with external address is like stealth address?
09:31 < robegalnd> becouse is more big that normal
09:33 < waxwing> no it's just ordinary addresses
09:33 < waxwing> the mixdepths are a kind of isolation based on BIP32 (a lot of wallets use that model, except mostly they have the equivalent of only 1 mixdepth)
09:34 < waxwing> the "external" vs "internal" split is not hugely important, it just makes it easier to achieve the right privacy model. all you need to know is when you fund the wallet, send coins there and not to internal.
09:35 < robegalnd> yeah
09:35 < robegalnd> so anyone for example localbitcoins can send me bitcoin with my ordinary address?
09:35 < robegalnd> that what i need to know
09:35 < waxwing> yes, for receiving bitcoins into the wallet, just choose any address you see under "external".
09:36 < robegalnd> OK thanks friend. You've been patient with me.
09:36 < waxwing> yw
09:37 < robegalnd> I just want to understand why I can not use the long address.
09:37 < waxwing> robegalnd: the long address?
09:37 < robegalnd> yeah
09:37 < waxwing> what is that?
09:37 < robegalnd> for example external addresses m/0/0/0 xpub6DSGBVV6TpxcZMMM83oU7P7XYZ671L7MPjjfgptRpphg9iC787aDSbm4XabPgQVWugWkm6QZyFdQ8TA5r33qq3FuEM5Wv93wuQNbV8GA3SB
09:37 < waxwing> oh. that's not an address, it's a special BIP32 public key for that mixdepth.
09:38 < waxwing> you can't send coins to it :)
09:38 < waxwing> if you're curious, you can use that pubkey to generate the pubkeys of all the addresses inside that mixdepth. you can read up on it at the BIP32 page.
09:38 < waxwing> but it's pretty technical, i wouldn't worry about it.
09:39 < waxwing> btw better not to publish such a thing; you're exposing the list of addresses that are yours in that mixdepth by doing so.
09:40 < waxwing> maybe meta-advice: don't publish data if you don't know what it is.
09:41 < robegalnd> okay. the public key. It represents my wallet or my address of this mixdepth?
09:41 < robegalnd> so anyone can find mi address?
09:41 < robegalnd> based on my public key?
09:41 < robegalnd> :P
09:41 < waxwing> it's basically a number that allows a person to *generate* an effectively infinite list of addresses "under" it.
09:41 < waxwing> have you ever used e.g. electrum?
09:41 < waxwing> or any "HD wallet"?
09:42 < robegalnd> no. just use wallet like localbitcoins or comercial wallets
09:42 < robegalnd> oh ok with this pubkey can generate anywallet i want?
09:42 < robegalnd> so this string is like my identit?
09:43 < robegalnd> i can generate any address
09:43 < waxwing> you won't be generating addresses, the wallet does it for you.
09:43 < robegalnd> ok with special algorith right . programins coide jeje
09:43 < waxwing> it's not an identity, no. if i were you i would try out electrum, it's easy to download and look at. you'll see the same kind of thing: two lists of addresses (like 1 mixdepth)
09:44 < robegalnd> ok i try to download
09:44 < waxwing> i don't know but maybe they have a page on their website explaining the idea of an HD wallet. or just google that term and read about it.
09:44 < robegalnd> i need to do some tumbler
09:44 < robegalnd> electrum is good to do tumbler right?
09:44 < waxwing> no there is no such function in electrum.
09:45 < robegalnd> in electrum I can get my bitcoins.
09:45 < robegalnd> yeah but
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09:45 < robegalnd> i read the documentation in wiki. and the tumbler tool of joinmarket can do that
09:45 < robegalnd> so  i need some address where the bitcoin  arrives
09:45 < waxwing> i think we've already answered that question, no?
09:46 < robegalnd> Yes, teacher
09:46 < robegalnd> last question pls
09:47 < robegalnd> when the tumbler process ends. I can send and sell bitcoins right?
09:48 < waxwing> robegalnd: you pass destination addresses to the tumbler.py script; at the end, it will have sent all the coins to those addresses
09:48 < robegalnd> the proccess is this let me explaind
09:48 < robegalnd> ah ok
09:48 < waxwing> you can also configure it to prompt you to add more addresses during the process
09:49 < robegalnd> how many addresses you recommend to the output?
09:49 < waxwing> 3 is generally fine. do read the output of tumbler.py --help, and also the wiki page
09:49 < robegalnd> yeah i read right now
09:50 < robegalnd> ok teacher thanks for you time
09:50 < robegalnd> if I have a question. I can bother you again?
09:50 < robegalnd> :!
09:50 < waxwing> sure
09:51 < robegalnd> thankiu sr
11:03 < robegalnd> hello how many confirmation need joinmarket to recieve coins?
11:05 < robegalnd> ??
11:06 < waxwing> 1, although you should be able to see them in the wallet unconfirmed
11:08 < robegalnd> I see in my wallet. but I can make the tumbler proccess
11:09 < robegalnd> =
11:09 < robegalnd> ?
11:09 < robegalnd> no problem right
11:10 < waxwing> i always wait 1 confirmation minimum, i can't actually remember whether that's technically necessary, i *think* it is
11:10 < robegalnd> I have four  confirmations. I think that's enough
11:11 < waxwing> definitely
11:11 < robegalnd> ok if i pass mi wallet to tumbler then 3 address is all i need to tumble?
11:11 < robegalnd> tumbler.py miwallet adres1 adres2 adres3
11:12 < robegalnd> no need to do something else right?
11:12 < waxwing> see previous answer
11:14 < robegalnd> tumbler.py miwallet adreselectrum1 adresselectrum2 adresselectrum3
11:15 < robegalnd> yeah i thins is all
11:23 < robegalnd> any one can help me?
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18:37 < robengland> Hello
18:38 < robengland> Today i use for first time the tumbler. so i test that in default configuration. and give 3 address to recieve the bitcoins
18:39 < robengland> i use the tumbler and  send 10 usd to 3 address diferent. and now i recieve that but only arrives 7 usd so the tumble discout 3 usd
18:40 < robengland> my question is how can down the tax o comision?
18:41 < robengland> is more %30 porcent to comision
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21:23 < waxwing> guys, really is there no one here who will ever answer any questions except me?
23:02 < midnightmagic> wrong timezone I think.
23:02 < midnightmagic> Besides, I don't know anything about joinmarket.