--- Day changed Sun Sep 18 2016
01:23 <@waxwing> asking again if someone could test 612, in particular those people that have very slow sync problems.
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04:16 < twokun> Where is the joinmarket.cfg file suppose to go?
04:17 <@waxwing> twokun: it gets created in the main directory automatically when you first run a script
04:17 <@waxwing> that's the best thing to do as you get all the defaults, then edit it
04:17 < twokun> oh right
04:19 < twokun> im getting some errors when i try to generate a wallet
04:19 < twokun> ImportError: No module named libnacl
04:21 < twokun> I already have this library installed though ? 
04:21 < twokun> I have ever used python before sorry if this seems simple questions
04:22 <@waxwing> twokun: no probs
04:22 <@waxwing> OS?
04:22 < twokun> linux
04:22 <@waxwing> ok, so you ran pip install -r requirements.txt ?
04:22 < twokun> yup
04:22 < twokun> when i rerun now i get that the dependencies are already satisfied
04:23 <@waxwing> interesting. try "python", then in python prompt try "import libnacl"
04:23 <@waxwing> presumably you'll get the same error, just a sanity check
04:24 < twokun> no library named libnacl
04:24 < twokun> python version is 2.7...
04:24 < twokun> python3 gives me 3.5.2
04:24 <@waxwing> sure, that's right. we use 2.7.x
04:24 < twokun> ok cool
04:24 < twokun> just checking lol
04:25 <@waxwing> i'm just kinda stumped. not using a virtualenv i take it.
04:25 < twokun> Im not no
04:25 <@waxwing> try just directly "pip install libnacl" outside of requirements.txt. maybe the install fails somehow.
04:25 <@waxwing> it might pick up a later version, but that's of no importance here.
04:25 < twokun> Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade): libnacl in /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages
04:26 <@waxwing> ah, so a python version issue
04:26 <@waxwing> `which python` gives you python 2 or 3?
04:27 < twokun> /usr/bin/python which is 2.7.12
04:27 <@waxwing> the sensible thing to do is to make a virtualenv for python 2.7 maybe
04:27 <@waxwing> what about `which pip` ?
04:27 < twokun> /usr/local/bin/pip
04:28 <@waxwing> ok, not sure, all i'm getting at the moment is libnacl is installed in your python3.
04:28 < twokun> hmmm
04:28 <@waxwing> there's an option to virtualenv which lets you specify your python executable (version), then the dependencies should be isolated properly.
04:29 < twokun> oh
04:29 <@waxwing> once you have virtualenv installed you can just do "virtualenv ." in your joinmarket directory, then "source bin/activate" to activate it.
04:29 <@waxwing> then do the pip install command there
04:29 < twokun> do i install via pip or via apt-get?
04:30 <@waxwing> install what, virtualenv?
04:30 < twokun> yeah
04:30 <@waxwing> pip i believe
04:31 <@waxwing> sorry been a while, i think you should sudo pip install virtualenv, then you can do non-sudo installs once in the virtualenv, just for that env
04:31 < twokun> ok cool
04:31 < twokun> il give it a bash that way
04:31 <@waxwing> i'll look up the option for python version
04:32 <@waxwing> it's -p <python executable>
04:33 <@waxwing> should have made it part of the official install instructions really, just didn't get round to it
04:37 < twokun> Looks like its working now thanks
04:39 <@waxwing> oh that was fast twokun :) good.
04:40 < twokun> Now I have to finish working out whats wrong with my full node crashing :D Might just start from scratch with it lol. 
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06:14 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] AdamISZ pushed 4 new commits to develop: https://git.io/viXML
06:14 < GithubBot5678> joinmarket/develop 2e8a4b8 Martino Salvetti: Manage error 429 of blockr
06:14 < GithubBot5678> joinmarket/develop 86d8c3a Martino Salvetti: Merge branch 'develop' into blockr-too-many-requests
06:14 < GithubBot5678> joinmarket/develop 3506294 Martino Salvetti: Rollback the fix from list_unspent and move it to the new btc.make_request_blockr....
06:19 <@waxwing> This is updated: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/JoinMarket-Docs/blob/master/Joinmarket-messaging-protocol.md
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08:10 < grubles> ah i was wondering where joinmarket-qt went
08:10 < grubles> i guess it hasn't been updated to be compatible with joinmarket 2.0?
08:10 < grubles> er, 0.2
08:16 <@waxwing> grubles: correct, see the readme
08:16 < grubles> :)
08:17 < puddinpop> https://joinmarket.me/ob/ - 1 offer 1 counterparty?
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08:30 <@waxwing> puddinpop: thanks for the prod; i think it got upset by connection problems, cgan been flaky last couple of days. back to normal now i think.
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08:51 < trustiee> If taker_utxo_age is set to say 2, will makers reject my utxos that only have 2 confirms?
08:51 <@waxwing> trustiee: yes
08:51 <@waxwing> did you see my response on reddit?
08:52 < trustiee> its pretty inconvenient to have to wait 5 confirms to be able to send
08:52 < trustiee> Yes.
08:52 < trustiee> I fixed everything thanks to your reply.
08:52 <@waxwing> so the main Q i have right now is, did you pay into the same address in the wallet more than once?
08:52 <@waxwing> oh, so it fixed it?
08:52 < trustiee> Yes. And that is the main issue.
08:52 < trustiee> I replied on reddit.
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08:52 < trustiee> I think the wallet needs to warn users. I had no idea this would happen and it was confusing.
08:53 <@waxwing> oh i get it now. you are also bittburger
08:53 <@waxwing> :)
08:53 < trustiee> Yes
08:53 <@waxwing> yes, so it's not #1
08:53 < trustiee> Technically I never completed a send to an address multiple times.
08:53 < trustiee> Just tried to send multiple times to that address, all failed.
08:53 <@waxwing> ok we have some confusion here, i'm glad you're on IRC
08:53 < trustiee> At the time I thought only utxo reuse mattered.
08:53 <@waxwing> did you send *into* your JM wallet to the same address *in* the wallet?
08:54 <@waxwing> sending *out* to different addresses doesn't matter, you can send your coins where you like :) and retrying is fine. i replied on reddit btw, maybe you haven't seen it yet
08:54 < trustiee> I tried to send from mixdepth 0 to mixdepth 4. It failed several times because I only had 2 confirms.
08:54 < trustiee> Then i was beyond max retries so it would fail forever.
08:54 < trustiee> Then I tried sending from mixdepth 1 to mixdepth 4.
08:54 < trustiee> (Sending from a new address, to the same old address.)
08:55 < trustiee> waxwing:  Then I don't know what was wrong. Because using a new mixdepth should have solved the issue.
08:56 <@waxwing> i think i can see the broad outline of it. it starts with trying to send too new coins, and then after that you start to hit max retries on other utxos that are old enough,but you've tried already.
08:56 <@waxwing> did you set taker_utxo_age to 2 at some point then?
08:56 < trustiee> Yes then i set age to 2 and retries to 10.
08:56 < trustiee> I have those back to defaults now.
08:57 <@waxwing> yeah changing those settings won't help. in the page https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Sourcing-commitments-for-joins see the bolded text
08:57 <@waxwing> "don't change this" etc
08:57 < trustiee> I guess everything was failing due to age being less than 5 and makers using up my retries.
08:57 < trustiee> It makes sense now
08:57 <@waxwing> it all sort of falls apart after you change the settings. you'll need to use external commitments to the wallet, or simpler but perhaps annoying, you can always re-fund the wallet with an extra, valid utxo.
08:58 < trustiee> I know I'm not contributing code, but it seems like it would make sense for retries to expire after some amount of blocks have passed.
08:58 < trustiee> Retries just expire forever right now, right?
08:58 <@waxwing> i'm not sure it would. that means a spy can just wait and use them again later, no?
08:58 < trustiee> Yes, it would mean that. Isn't the goal simply to rate limit the spy?
08:59 < trustiee> I guess we also want the spy to have to spend money to try too.
08:59 <@waxwing> a timeout/expiry that was any use to a genuine user, would also be massively helpful to a spy
08:59 < trustiee> Wait, an *extra* utxo? Does adding a single utxo allow me to use other expired utxos along with it?
08:59 <@waxwing> yes, basically the idea is: try to source commitments from the utxos you're spending. if that fails, try the other utxos in the wallet.
08:59 < trustiee> *a single unused utxo
08:59 <@waxwing> and if that fails, try one from an "external" set. the doc explains how you can add external utxos if you really need to.
09:00 <@waxwing> although generally people won't.
09:00 < trustiee> Ok but utxos that have had 5 retries pass will never be able to be used?
09:00 <@waxwing> 3, and yes, correct.
09:00 < trustiee> As in, I have to use an external tool to move those coins.
09:00 < trustiee> Joinmarket can't move them ever.
09:00 <@waxwing> well it's in the cmttools/ directory; but, you can also just add another utxo to the wallet by paying into it
09:01 <@waxwing> the tool is in cmttools/add-utxo.py
09:01 <@waxwing> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Sourcing-commitments-for-joins#sourcing-external-commitments
09:02 < trustiee> ok great, thanks :)
09:03 <@waxwing> i hope you can understand that i don't disagree it's unpleasant, and harder than before, not at all. just, this was the balance we had to strike.
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09:03 <@waxwing> looking at it more positively, once people get used to it, it will make the system stronger, hopefully.
09:05 <@waxwing> he's gone again, oh well :)
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09:42 < trustiee> So let's say I have 2 addresses with BTC in them in mixdepth 0 that have never been spent from. 1 of those addresses has 5 confirms on its only transaction. And 1 of those addresses has only 2 confirms. Will doing a sendpayment that includes both addresses fail because age requirement of 5 isn't met?
09:45 <@waxwing> trustiee: no, that'd be fine
09:45 <@waxwing> the idea is to find *one* valid commitment; first try the utxos in the proposed tx, then try all the utxos in the wallet, then try the external. if a valid one can be found anywhere it'll be used.
09:45 < trustiee> So if 10 addresses are involved, and 9 have 1 conf, and one has 5 confs, then it will work?
09:45 < trustiee> OK I see.
09:46 <@waxwing> note that it's checking against the list of "already used" in cmttools/commitments.json, so as was written somewhere, don't delete that file :)
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12:38 <@waxwing> belcher: hi
12:38 < belcher> hello
12:42 <@waxwing> i'm not sure how the whole SASL conditions they specify would affect things, also if it needs a registered nick it'll be annoying
12:56 < belcher> sasl is an alternative to /msg nickserv register
12:57 < belcher> so sasl means the nick is registered
12:57 <@waxwing> belcher: ok, thanks, did you read the link? what's the upshot?
12:57 < belcher> i didnt see the link
12:58 <@waxwing> -e- [global notice] Hi all. Our Tor hidden service is back online, and available at <freenodeok2gncmy.onion>. For more information, please read <https://freenode.net/news/tor-online>.
12:58 < belcher> oh that
12:58 < belcher> yes, excellent
12:58 < belcher> they used to have a HS but closed it around 2014
12:59 <@waxwing> if i read it right, you can't connect without pre-registering somehow, might need a nick keypair persistence if that's the case.
12:59 <@waxwing> (last paragraph)
12:59 < belcher> right
13:00 < belcher> so the same as when it was last open
13:00 < belcher> then what you'd have to do is pay someone on the internet to register a nick for you
13:06 < belcher> waxwing thanks for closing all those ancient issues
13:06 <@waxwing> np, the amusing thing is how many are still validly open :)
13:07 <@waxwing> could probably close a few more ofc
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