--- Day changed Fri Oct 07 2016 00:01 < waxwing> freekevin: re: manual blocks by makers, no, automatic, they have the same taker_utxo_amtpercent setting by default as Takers 20%, therefore if the Taker reduces it he may allow his own script to *send* a commitment, but it doesn't mean the Makers will accept it. 00:02 < waxwing> freekevin: re 1.2, no, the utxo used for commitment does not have to be separate to the utxos you are spending, quite the opposite, it's much better if it's one of the utxos you are spending, thus your commitment should usually be coming from within the 1 BTC 00:04 < waxwing> freekevin: re: getting stuck, you can get stuck in this kind of situation: you have lots of small utxos, no large utxos, and you are trying to spend all of them at once. one way to deal with that is to add external utxos. although you could do other things. 01:30 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@90.149.73.62] has joined #joinmarket 03:22 -!- twokun [~two@213.152.161.117] has joined #joinmarket 03:31 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freekevin> sweeping a mix depth or tumbling will spend them all at once 12:08 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: emzy, lnostdal, rotarydialer, fluffypony, RedEmerald, megaddin, mkarrer_, fronti 12:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: RedEmerald 12:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: emzy 12:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: lnostdal 12:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rotarydialer 12:09 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@159.red-83-47-122.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #joinmarket 12:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fluffypony 12:11 < freekevin> Im having trouble then differentiating between utxos and outputs 12:11 < freekevin> if there is no utxos then the coin is spent 12:12 < freekevin> so is jm then half-spending coins? 12:13 < freekevin> and each coin has 2 outputs how can you have more utxos than outputs for coinjoins? 12:13 < freekevin> it would make sense then that you need more outputs in the wallet 12:13 -!- fronti [~fronti@irc.fh-biergarten.de] has joined #joinmarket 12:14 < freekevin> for the jm wallet to take the utxo from them 12:14 < freekevin> why is there a different script to seperately add utxo's which require the private key anyway 12:14 < freekevin> which is essentially putting the coin in the jm wallet 12:17 < freekevin> The UTXO of a coinbase transaction has the special condition that it cannot be spent (used as an input) for at least 100 blocks. 12:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: arubi, Giszmo, DeathShadow--666, Lightsword, plinss, Einherjer, luke-jr 12:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: plinss 12:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: arubi 12:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lightsword 12:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: luke-jr 12:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Giszmo 12:22 < freekevin> so all of those UTXO's which you are trying to get from coins may all be within 100 blocks and then you could have a failed transaction 12:23 < freekevin> if you are requiring 20% 12:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: DeathShadow--666 12:23 < freekevin> how does this stop the spying ? 12:23 < freekevin> if there 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