--- Day changed Wed Oct 12 2016 01:21 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #joinmarket 02:32 < waxwing> this issue is turning out to be subtler than i thought, would welcome other opinions https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/632 02:32 < waxwing> we must have discussed it before, but somehow i can't remember 02:52 * waxwing imitates JM-IRCrelay 02:52 < waxwing> good news: i'm also still running an 0.1.x YG (in parallel) to check if there's still activity. A while ago, there were still insanely big joins paying very high fees, but that died. Havent seen a single legit 0.1.x coinjoin in over 5 days, only loads of spammer requests still trying to start a join. Guess the transistion is done 02:52 < waxwing> on 0.2 there seems to be a big sybil going on though; and for fees so low, that it might not convince legit makers to offer within that range as well, and take the risk of having their funds in a hot wallet for a very low return 02:52 < waxwing> AlexCato: by big sybil you mean the guy(s) posting lots of repeated orders right? 02:52 < waxwing> waxwing: many offers arent a problem afaik; but theres many different guys (or were when i last checked) with identical offers. Those are a problem... 02:52 < waxwing> yeah we're well aware :) 02:52 < waxwing> adlai came up with a possible non-protocol breaking strategy to alleviate it (rather than properly solve it). he's looking into coding it up 02:52 < waxwing> as for a proper solution, i couldn't get past the idea that to use a commitment to prevent it would require something like a proof of non-set membership rather than a proof of set membership (like merkle trees) which is ... probably fantasy 02:52 < waxwing> awesome. Was nice to see his talk, had the live-stream running and was surprised to see joinmarket to be present. Great job for raising awareness :) 02:52 < waxwing> so i don't really know what the right approach would be, even if you assume a protocol break and some kind of maker commitment or similar, to enforcing non-sharing of utxos 02:52 < waxwing> yeah it was good 02:53 * waxwing de-imitates and off for a bit 03:10 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-thcysmfjxauzcnkf] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:18 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-efjqtguqaiiizqsq] has joined #joinmarket 03:25 -!- twokun [~two@46.19.137.116] has joined #joinmarket 03:38 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #joinmarket 04:24 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-efjqtguqaiiizqsq] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #joinmarket 04:33 -!- GAit [~GAit@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #joinmarket 05:20 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #joinmarket 05:33 < owowo> anyone had a segmentation fault in rasbian, installin libsecp256k1-py? 05:37 < owowo> "... internal compiler error: Segmentation fault" 05:44 -!- twokun [~two@46.19.137.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:41 -!- twokun [~two@46.19.137.116] has joined #joinmarket 07:08 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 07:58 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 07:59 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@90.149.73.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00 -!- lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@90.149.73.62] has joined #joinmarket 08:13 -!- twokun [~two@46.19.137.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:29 -!- Yohkii [~IceChat9@dhcp106-stud.wifi.uit.no] has joined #joinmarket 08:29 -!- Yohkii [~IceChat9@dhcp106-stud.wifi.uit.no] has quit [Changing host] 08:29 -!- Yohkii [~IceChat9@unaffiliated/yohkii] has joined #joinmarket 08:30 < Yohkii> orderbook is back up :D 08:32 -!- Yohkii [~IceChat9@unaffiliated/yohkii] has left #joinmarket [] 08:32 -!- Yohkii [~IceChat9@unaffiliated/yohkii] has joined #joinmarket 08:44 -!- twokun [~two@46.19.137.116] has joined #joinmarket 10:06 < waxwing> yeah sorry vps flaky recently. just ping me if it goes down. also you can run it yourself locally if you like. 10:11 -!- GAit [~GAit@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29 < Yohkii> Well, I'm running a maker bot so 10:39 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15 < waxwing> apparently we are killing bitcoin: https://twitter.com/MAbtc/status/786113489504993284 11:15 < waxwing> (it wasn't actually about ofc but still amazing; look at kyle torpey's follow up tweet storm, it's hilarious) 11:15 < waxwing> s/about/about us/ 11:35 < owowo> how can you kill something that's already dead? 11:35 -!- belcher_ [9bc6d00a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.198.208.10] has joined #joinmarket 11:41 -!- belcher_ [9bc6d00a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.198.208.10] has left #joinmarket [] 11:44 < fluffypony> #rekt 11:49 < owowo> bigger blocks mean nothing when u mine 0tx blocks 11:49 < owowo> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CujeJ-xWYAAlnlu.jpg:large 11:50 < arubi> this is shock value publicity in order to stay relevant (aka shitposting). obviously any use of bigger, more complicated sigscripts means more money for miners, and with segwit it even means tiny block space used as a result.. really weird that any sane miner would refuse such an offer for soft fork 11:50 -!- belcher_ [9bc6d00a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.198.208.10] has joined #joinmarket 11:51 < owowo> because these ppl seem to have an agenda 11:51 < arubi> they seem to have a sponsor 11:51 < fluffypony> owowo: to be fair, 1% empty blocks is pretty small, a portion of those are likely just empty blocks being solved faster than GBT can run 11:54 -!- JM-IRCRelay [~RelayBot@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 11:54 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] testing 11:54 < belcher_> testing 11:54 < arubi> tespasstedpassed 11:54 < belcher_> okay so i dont know what the problem was but it seemed to get into some loop where it wasnt authenticating with freenode, a restart fixed it 11:55 < belcher_> btw the bot im using is this https://github.com/Thynix/RelayBot and i applied the open PR there that implements SSL 11:56 < belcher_> so seems to work, bye for now (i still read messages coming to belcher nick) 11:56 -!- belcher_ [9bc6d00a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.198.208.10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57 < arubi> o/ 12:02 -!- belcher_ [9bc6d00a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.198.208.10] has joined #joinmarket 12:04 < belcher_> the terminal here just showed a python stack trace 12:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] but it seems to be working anyway (?) 12:04 -!- belcher_ [9bc6d00a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.198.208.10] has left #joinmarket [] 12:04 < waxwing> yup 12:04 -!- belcher_ 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JM-IRCRelay is now known as Guest25741 16:20 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 16:48 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@159.red-83-47-122.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@7.red-83-47-85.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #joinmarket 16:55 < belcher> oh ffs, JM-IRCRelay being dumb again 16:56 -!- Guest25741 is now known as JM-IRCRelay 16:56 -!- JM-IRCRelay is now known as Guest82126 16:57 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 17:21 -!- waxwing_ [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21 -!- waxwing_ [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #joinmarket 17:53 < Guest82126> [belcher_] message here 17:54 < Guest82126> [belcher_] hello joinparty, waxwing was looking for you earlier though i think he's afk now 17:54 < Guest82126> [joinparty] hello, ok, thanks. 17:55 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:55 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 17:55 < Guest82126> [joinparty] waxwing tells me you're looking into some potentially malicious makers 17:56 < Guest82126> [joinparty] or maker behaviours 17:57 -!- Guest82126 is now known as JM-IRCRelay 17:57 -!- JM-IRCRelay is now known as Guest63164 18:07 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pfbxshzuuxpwumnt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:13 -!- Guest63164 [~RelayBot@dyn208-233.ph.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17 -!- belcher is now known as JM-IRCRelay 18:17 -!- JM-IRCRelay is now known as belcher 18:17 -!- JM-IRCRelay [~RelayBot@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 18:17 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has left #joinmarket [] 18:17 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 18:21 -!- JM-IRCRelay [~RelayBot@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21 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