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04:12  * waxwing is putting in code to sendpayment to send coins direct without JM (using -N 0). got it basically working but need to do a ton of testing.
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06:06 < JM-IRCRelay> [waxwing] joinparty: good news, thanks!
06:07 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] AdamISZ opened pull request #637: add direct send feature from mixdepth using -N 0 in sendpayment scrip… (develop...direct_send) https://git.io/vPPhs
07:59  * adlai is still travelling, will review soon...
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10:10 < arubi> I must be doing something wrong, running a few bots on regtest and local irc server, all but one bot are running yigens, last is running tumbler.  it all runs fine but after killing the tumbler (ctrl+c) I can't use the wallet in any other program /except/ for the tumbler (not even wallet-tool display), getting the error: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/5a236a2c
10:10 < arubi> this is consistent with all bot instances and a tumble doesn't need to actually take place.  simply running tumbler.py, stopping and trying wallet-tool results in an error.  I checked and a new field appears in the wallet after tumbler e.g. '"index_cache": [[4, 2], [0, 9], [0, 4], [0, 0]]', if I remove this field, wallet.json works again:  http://paste.debian.net/plainh/4a41db13
10:11 < waxwing> arubi: are you running the bugfix i pushed yesterday?
10:12 < waxwing> also, have you tried yg-runner.py (i guess not) it does exactly that :)
10:12 < arubi> hmm let me check
10:13 < arubi> yea I guess not :)  should I follow "develop" ?
10:14 < arubi> oh I see what I did now
10:14 < waxwing> yes develop is always the latest
10:14 < arubi> was following some local branch by mistake..
10:15 < arubi> yea I figured, git pull returned up to date so it was weird..
10:15 < arubi> thanks.  gonna try now
10:17 < waxwing> if you do tumbler without non-defaults it'll create 4 mixdepths and other scripts may complain, it's really quite bad that the new way of syncing introduced that extra fragility.
10:19 < arubi> should I explicitly ask other scripts to look at higher depths after tumbler then?
10:21 < waxwing> actually i'm not sure now why you were getting an error, i want to chase that up first. my fix was for if the tumbler created an index_cache *longer* than 5, not shorter.
10:21 < waxwing> oh i see, you were running wallet tool and it was taking default 5
10:21 < arubi> need any files before I wipe everything and start the new pull?
10:22 < waxwing> it's the deficiency of only checking that index_cache is non-empty, not checking if it's the right length, hmm.
10:22 < waxwing> same bug manifesting in a different way, oh well, a bit more work to do
10:22 < arubi> at least it's regtest coins :)
10:23 < waxwing> there's no coin safety issue here, just crash annoyance
10:23 < waxwing> you can specify the mixdepths you want in wallet-tool anyway
10:23 < arubi> yea I see, just joking.  wallet tool works when removing the index_cache field
10:23 < waxwing> you could do -m 4 to it
10:24 < waxwing> but will fix next
10:24 < arubi> (trying)
10:25 < arubi> ah that works!  cool.  I'm just trying to get up to speed with the new version.  might now that core has HD too and coin backup will get a lot easier.  thanks again
10:26 < arubi> might as well*
10:33 < waxwing> arubi: if you get a chance to try out the instructions in the Testing wiki page, that'd be nice :) or did you already? (since you said you were running local ircds)
10:35 < arubi> I set it up by "feel", the only caveat I'd warn people about is "miniircd _has_ to have a motd" because else the scripts just stall on "connecting".  really I just assumed I wasn't following proper instructions and didn't report :\
10:36 < waxwing> you wouldn't have had to deal with that if you used our test setup :)
10:37 < waxwing> we have a copy of the miniircd repo, i do remember that particular nastiness
10:37 < waxwing> the test setup starts and stops regtest and miniircd for you.
10:43 < arubi> waxwing, well 1. I am using miniircd from jm-org repo,  2. I wanted a more manual test env. for really breaking things :)
10:44 < arubi> or maybe I really missed what the test setup is about and it does exactly what I want with 2.
10:44 < waxwing> hey go for it :) i will always take an opportunity to 'advertise' the test setup in the hope that some other people run it sometime; it'd be quite helpful
10:45 < waxwing> well, the scenario you described where you wanted to be able to manually try things out against an existing pit: i also often want that, i just run py.test <args> test/ygrunner.py to get 4 yg bots up in a pit, copy-paste the seed so i have a full wallet, and then run various taker scripts.
10:46 < waxwing> here you can specify how many coins you want in each mixdepth when you run it: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/develop/test/ygrunner.py#L35
10:47 < waxwing> ignore the stale comment above, that creates 5 wallets (4 ygs and 1 "spare" for you to use), and prints out the seed for that "spare" to the console
10:47 < arubi> doh. that sounds a lot easier than what I'm doing and has the same effect.  I did run the "Tests" a bunch of times and it worked great.  gonna use the proper way now as I can see it will save me a bunch of messing with things
10:48 < waxwing> i see from the comments at the top of the file, i originally did it so i could easily test the -qt app, saved me a ton of time trying to do that in testnet
10:49 < arubi> oh yea testnet is flaky for when you really want precise answers in short time.  that's why I set it all up for regtest
10:52 < grubles> ok I don't know if I haven't had enough coffee or what but I'm getting: joinmarket.jsonrpc.JsonRpcError
10:52 < grubles> joinmarket.cfg is setup correctly and everything
10:53 < grubles> setup to communicate with my local bitcoin-qt, i mean
10:53 < waxwing> huh, someone else complained about that on github recently, and i don't know what it might be. maybe you can hack it to show the error message if all else fails
10:54 < waxwing> which command was it trying to execute? (should be just above in the log i think)
10:54 < grubles> python2 wallet-tool.py <my wallet>
10:54 < grubles>     raise JsonRpcError(response["error"])
10:55 < waxwing> yes, but just before that, does it show which command it was calling?
10:56 < grubles> self.rpc('importaddress', [addr, wallet_name, False])      <- this?
10:56 < waxwing> yes. something funny going on here.
10:57 < waxwing> it was able to do an initial call OK (there is an rpc call right at the start of sync)
10:58 < waxwing> this worked: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/develop/joinmarket/blockchaininterface.py#L567
10:58 < waxwing> but importaddress didn't, hmm. is your node wallet-enabled?
11:00 < waxwing> grubles: going afk in a moment
11:28 < grubles> waxwing,  is your node wallet-enabled? <- yes
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12:56 < waxwing> grubles: couple of suggestions to help us figure it out: (1) try doing the importaddress manually with an rpc call (same wallet name and address ofc), also (maybe better) add a line "print(str(response))" above this line: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/develop/joinmarket/jsonrpc.py#L117 
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13:13 < gmaxwell> I've made a banlist of bitcoin peers that are connecting to everyone and monitoring transactions, you might want to ban them on your own nodes.
13:13 < gmaxwell> http://0bin.net/paste/V0GAccklhV+huNVC#8uKrkZB0NYEHakf+GEf6Bz7995wvwjpYiYddPzAU71e   < in CLI friendly form
13:13 < gmaxwell> http://0bin.net/paste/6t296tLNIUrLAGI4#yQCgdTXPtsfA1WqKj5Y0qXO1JE0OVfmfmgo55EwSd6n   < in bitcoin-qt debug console (ready to paste) friendly form
13:14 < gmaxwell> this will ban them for 6 months.
13:14 < waxwing> gmaxwell: what do we know about 'Snoopy' ?
13:14 < gmaxwell> 12:23 < wumpus> gmaxwell: number of connections went from 54 to 14 after applying that banlist :)
13:15 < gmaxwell> I think snoopy is some university's propagation monitoring probe, as I vaguely recall.
13:15 < kakobrekla> how did you find out about those nodes ?
13:16 < gmaxwell> kakobrekla: they're (1) behaving strangely in ways that prove they are not ordinary nodes, and (2) were connected to many nodes on many different networks, in a way no benign node would. (most of them are connected to every node that can be reached, some of them multiple times)
13:16 < kakobrekla> so you scanned all the nodes yourself?
13:17 < gmaxwell> I don't want to go into the 'strangely' details in public, else I tell the spys how to behave more faithfully.
13:17 < gmaxwell> kakobrekla: no, they came to me.
13:17 < waxwing> how do we see how many connections we have? i think i might have dropped 7
13:17 < gmaxwell> these are nodes connecting _out_ to almost everyone.
13:17 < gmaxwell> waxwing: 7 out of 20?   you can run a getnetworkinfo or a getinfo to see the connection count.
13:18 < waxwing> gmaxwell: yeah out of 20. i did getnetworkinfo but missed it first time. it's gone down to 13 indeed.
13:20 < waxwing> we do (optionally) distribute transactions between JM peers to randomise source somewhat, so that's another extra defence.
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14:25 < midnightmagic> gmaxwell: thanks
14:37 < kakobrekla> gmaxwell how do you know that those nodes are connected to every other reachable node, im looking at protocol spec and i dont see a way howd you go about it - asking the node 
14:40 < gmaxwell> kakobrekla: by checking many nodes run by myself and other bitcoin developers.
14:41 < gmaxwell> it is exceptionally unlikely that someone will be connected to, say, 12 out of 12 nodes unless they are connected to almost everyone.
14:41 < gmaxwell> (doubly so since sane software won't connect out to more than 8 peers)
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19:10 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] WyseNynja opened pull request #638: ignore .DS_Store (develop...ignore_ds_store) https://git.io/vP1SE
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22:47 < TailsUser> I've got $6 in a joinmarket wallet file. I tried plugging the seed key into electrum, but it didn't work. I must be missing something simple.
22:48 < TailsUser> Maybe there's a space at the end or something silly.
22:51 < TailsUser> Well this is annoying.
22:59 < TailsUser> yay figured out the -p command.
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