--- Day changed Tue Nov 01 2016 00:28 < waxwing> sorry 85 *bots* not offers, and 5 being the 7.49 guy 00:58 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:07 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jcjjnzchuwelkupo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:18 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #joinmarket 01:22 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:27 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtytyaptrocncytq] has joined #joinmarket 01:35 -!- goregrind [~goregrind@unaffiliated/goregrind] has joined #joinmarket 02:25 < belcher> weekly cyclical, saturday and sunday i barely got any and this monday morning theres a lot more 02:26 < belcher> miner fees went up a bit a few hours ago too, and the price 02:28 < nkuttler> waxwing: the 7.49 guy has 5 bots running off the same wallet? 03:22 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 03:59 < waxwing> nkuttler: we can't be sure; but i have tested and it seems to reliably not respond to !auth 04:01 < waxwing> belcher: yes. altho' today is quite special from my pov; had more in the last 12 hours than i ever had in a single day before, pretty sure. 04:01 < waxwing> my price is on the low side, but not inclined to bump it as long as we have definite evidence of people trying to block. hopefully the new 0.2.2 feature is helping here. 04:02 < waxwing> nkuttler: so in that sense, it's quite academic. it's very hard to understand behaviour; if you're going to block, why do it like that? 04:08 < waxwing> joinmarket showerthought time, maybe we can use p2ch as a way for makers to register themselves, thus providing sufficient defence against sybils whose purpose is specifically to block, although this could only work if we move up at least 1 order of magnitude, maybe more, in usage 04:10 < waxwing> one thing our latest blocker friend made me think is, those who want to attack or spy on this system may be very dis-inclined to reveal even *one* of their own utxos, although even if that speculation is right currently, it needn't always be 04:11 < waxwing> another idea: how about we get some bitcoin mining companies to sponsor us, since we are increasing their fee income? :) 04:47 < waxwing> i'm noticing some txs paying exorbitant fees, like 300k-400k for a 2kB transaction; i can't see how that's possible looking at the code either via blockr (so blockcypher estimate) or Core; also there is a sanity check < 150k sat/kB, so i'm wondering if someone doctored it to allow higher fees based on what happened last week. 04:55 < waxwing> trustiee , if you can read this, no there is no additional wait for more than 3 sigs, in your example. timeout in case of failure (although you weren't asking about that) is calculated based on 3, not 7 also. sendpayment does have a small delay on shutting down, but that's nothing to do with -N settings. 08:00 < OverlordQ> *rabble* *rabble* importing 2560 addresses 08:01 < OverlordQ> always takes forever lol :( 08:19 < waxwing> OverlordQ: use --fast 08:38 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 10:47 < waxwing> amir hasn't changed at all by the looks of it :) https://pulsemedia.org/2016/10/30/anarchists-in-agrabah-how-faux-revolutionaries-tried-to-silence-actual-revolutionaries-at-the-london-book-fair/ 10:56 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has joined #joinmarket 11:30 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29 -!- Keith1 [~dj@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 13:29 < Keith1> Hey again 13:29 < Keith1> looks like i got this working today... i think 13:57 -!- Keith1 [~dj@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:16 -!- Keith1 [~dj@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 14:25 < waxwing> Keith1: good to hear 14:25 < waxwing> someone just posted 63 offers :) 14:26 < Keith1> that wasnt me haha 14:26 < Keith1> i havent put any money in it yet 14:26 < waxwing> Keith1: i didn't expect it was :) 63 offers is .. a little excessive 14:27 < waxwing> most likely a bad actor. 14:27 < Keith1> J52bNcbV2LCJpv2i? 14:27 < Keith1> how can a bad actor cause any problems with this system? 14:27 < waxwing> yes, because repeated max sizes 14:28 < waxwing> well it entirely depends what they do. but, the system will not consider more than 1 offer from 1 bot, so it isn't a problem 14:28 < waxwing> apart from extreme spaminess :) 14:32 < Keith1> Connected to IRC and joined channel on CgAn 14:32 < Keith1> Connected to IRC and joined channel on agora-irc 14:33 < Keith1> so once wallet is filled it will auto populate the offers? 14:34 < waxwing> yes, or just 1 offer. you can change your fee from the default in the script (at the top). 14:34 < waxwing> the default for yg-pe.py and yield-generator-basic.py is 0.02% reloffer 14:35 < waxwing> one day we will make it a config or option instead of leaving it in the script :) 14:35 < Keith1> out of curious does the person with the repeating orders have those 172btc~ that number of times? or is the same coins? 14:35 < waxwing> Keith1: it's entirely possible they don't have any coins at all (*if* they're malicious). or if they do have it, it'll be most likely 1 wallet. 14:36 < waxwing> the general idea of multiple offers is to allow people to charge different fees for different amounts 14:36 < waxwing> but the intention is for them to publish offers in *non-overlapping ranges* 14:36 < waxwing> if they publish multiple offers for the same range, only 1 is considered by the Takers 14:38 < Keith1> ohh i see what they might be trying then 14:38 < Keith1> so if someone unsuspecting went in to try and mix coins they may end up mixing it multiple times with the same person essentially 14:38 < Keith1> and if they are spying them they will know where all the outputs ended? 14:39 < waxwing> but doing it that way doesn't have that effect: each Taker will only consider that bot once, as i was explaining above. 14:39 < waxwing> so if for example their intention is to spy, they have no more chance of getting included than anyone else (weighted by the fee they offer) 14:41 < Keith1> i have not read the technical of how this works yet just the general idea. i love it though :) 15:46 < belcher> how did you hear about it Keith1 ? 15:47 < belcher> waxwing remind me what p2ch is? pay to ..? 15:48 < arubi> contract hash 15:49 < belcher> ok 15:49 < belcher> so it would introduce a fixed cost of sending out offers and reveal ~1 utxo 16:27 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:33 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #joinmarket 16:35 < Keith1> ohh belcher you know me, this is a friends laptop im using already just under a differnt sn ;) 16:36 < Keith1> you guys helped me before on my own laptop but it is in pieces 16:36 < Keith1> third time on my new device to get this working will be np il have it like the back of my hand 16:38 < belcher> do you run that mumble server site? ;) 16:40 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:42 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 16:45 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-fxzjytlupubuqbba] has joined #joinmarket 16:45 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-fxzjytlupubuqbba] has quit [Changing host] 16:45 -!- owowo [ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #joinmarket 16:45 -!- owowo [ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Changing host] 16:45 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-fxzjytlupubuqbba] has joined #joinmarket 16:50 < Keith1> belcher: its maxsan, so no I dont :D 16:51 < Keith1> but i hope eventually il run a bunch of stuff for the community... eventually 16:51 < belcher> ah 16:51 < belcher> okay so i know two people called keith then :) 16:51 < Keith1> haha nah its a mates laptop.. hence why i find myself doing the same things 16:52 < Keith1> on different peoples computers 16:52 < Keith1> my job is now just to go round and convert everyone to linux 16:53 < kakobrekla> > [MCThread ] [INFO ] error pushing = -26 258: txn-mempool-conflict < this requires some intervention or ? 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