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09:49 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] hi again.
09:49 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] JM is running again *finally* after a long time.
09:51 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] Now that my yg script is running I see that the nick is not listed on the web orderbook. Any ideas?
10:02 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] got disconnected... anybody?
10:06 < waxwing> mrnice the list on the website is not reliable, you can check in the pit on cgan
10:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] ahh. yes. good thinking. Found it. thanks.
10:10 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] Why is the web ob not reliable? I have started logging the parties and orders to see if there is growth over time...
10:11 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] My graphs are worthless? I have notices some serious "steps" in the graphs... and gaps (which I thought were tor connectivity issues).
10:13 < waxwing> mrnice you can run ob-watcher.py locally, you don't need to rely on the website
10:13 < waxwing> there is some bug that means it doesn't always keep track correctly, haven't had time to look into it
10:14 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] ok, thanks. Will look into that.
10:23 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice] Nice! (ob-watcher) I will use that in future for logging stats.
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11:42 < waxwing> a reminder to those who missed it, gmaxwell provided a link of observed-to-be-spying nodes that you can ban, seems to me it should be good practice for joinmarket nodes: http://0bin.net/paste/b9mHNgZ65mUTfdNC#Tr6mU876Nyxi0CiBcdAYI7zr6nXWzv6x23WEsqiWJ6O
11:57 < JM-IRCRelay> [mrnice__] I guess such banning is only effective if the bitcoind is used in the clearnet?
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13:12 < belcher> mrnice___ that doesnt make too much difference
14:42 < waxwing> so how do clearnet nodes interact with tor nodes? possibly stupid Q
14:43 < waxwing> reminds me i should really set up tor on my node
14:44 < belcher> they only get them inbound
14:44 < belcher> btw a node can be clearnet and tor at the same time
14:44 < belcher> 0.13 and above will detect if tor is running on the same machine and use it to set up .onions for itself
14:44 < waxwing> ok cool, does it work with TBB i presume?
14:44 < belcher> idk, probably
14:45 < belcher> which is great, especially if for example your isp is trying to partition you away from the bitcoin network
14:45 < waxwing> i set up 0.13.1 over the weekend, i'll try to set that up tomorrow i guess
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14:45 < waxwing> "set up" = installed
14:46 < belcher> also i believe it will make outbound connections through tor as well
14:46 < waxwing> belcher: re p2ch just like a deposit, the only cost would be the mining fee so ... i don't know it's a vague thought.
15:15 < waxwing> eyeballing, 3 x activity this sun-tue cf last week sun-tue.
15:16 < waxwing> also wc -l blacklist -> 3885 , #620 may become necessary to address fairly soon.
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16:06 < teenis> even with fees set to 1 tumbler transactions are still taking hours, any solutions that don't involve manually forcing higher fees in the code?
16:18 < belcher> are you using bitcoin core or blockr.io ?
16:18 < belcher> it gets fee estimates from there
16:18 < belcher> teenis ^
16:19 < teenis> bitcoin core
16:19 < teenis> okay that makes more sense
16:19 < belcher> after you've started it, it takes some time to see enough unconfirmed txes and blocks to come up with an estimate
16:19 < belcher> it needs to be switched off for a bit
16:20 < belcher> also, what feerate are your transactions being created with at the moment ?
16:20 < belcher> a blockchain explorer should tell you
16:21 < belcher> since theres some code that if estimatefee says it doesnt know, use a hardcoded default of 30k satoshi/kb
16:24 < teenis> I had it running on this server for a couple of days before starting tumbler
16:24 < teenis> looks like right now it's using about 50k satoshis per kb
16:29 < teenis> I had one go out with a 40k fee and that took 5 hours to confirm, about 20 blocks
17:13 < belcher> teenis sorry i was afk
17:13 < belcher> okay so looks like bitcoin core's estimatefee got it wrong? :(
17:14 < belcher> its a possibility, thats why theres RBF, though i havent even thought much about what that would look like in joinmarket
17:14 < belcher> on the other hand, more randomness and waiting in time is good for privacy because it makes timing correlation harder
17:16 < belcher> hmm, i realise that when the tumbler is sending to itself, it can obtain a new address for the RBF tx and so wouldnt reveal the coinjoin address to anyone who saw both txes
17:17 < belcher> maybe we could code in a way for the user to say what feerate they want to use, thats more options and most people leave options to be the default, but it would help for now
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19:16 < teenis> well thats fun
19:16 < teenis> 2016-11-02 18:10:25,709 [TimeoutThrea] [ERROR]  ERROR not enough liquidity in the orderbook
19:16 < teenis> 2016-11-02 18:10:25,709 [TimeoutThrea] [WARNI]  waiting for liquidity 60secs, hopefully more orders should come in
19:16 < teenis> 2016-11-02 18:11:18,258 [PingThread  ] [WARNI]  irc ping timed out
19:16 < teenis> 2016-11-02 18:11:18,259 [PingThread  ] [INFO ]  errored while trying to quit: error(9, 'Bad file descriptor')
19:22 < teenis> oh apparently it decided to crash earlier
19:22 < teenis> or throw an exception at least
19:22 < teenis> http://sprunge.us/FaHe
19:33 < teenis> ah okay looks like it got the coins all the way there
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23:46 < waxwing> teenis: ok so it worked out, good, that error message in your link is quite something, never seen that, i'm hoping it's purely a matter of a connection happening to break at a specific moment.