--- Day changed Tue Nov 15 2016 00:32 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 00:50 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket --- Log opened Tue Nov 15 05:39:00 2016 05:39 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #joinmarket 05:39 -!- Irssi: #joinmarket: Total of 64 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 62 normal] 05:44 -!- Irssi: Join to #joinmarket was synced in 326 secs 05:51 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 07:35 < JM-IRCRelay> [wuala] who have adultfriendfinder db ? 08:37 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@unaffiliated/yohkii] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:38 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@dhcp3516-stud.wifi.uit.no] has joined #joinmarket 08:38 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@dhcp3516-stud.wifi.uit.no] has quit [Changing host] 08:38 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@unaffiliated/yohkii] has joined #joinmarket 08:54 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:32 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@unaffiliated/yohkii] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:07 < pigeons> hi cgan, not here 11:01 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:06 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-eajnccpblronwhvd] has joined #joinmarket 11:06 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-eajnccpblronwhvd] has quit [Changing host] 11:06 -!- owowo [ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #joinmarket 11:06 -!- owowo [ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Changing host] 11:06 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-eajnccpblronwhvd] has joined #joinmarket 11:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] hey AlexCato 11:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] do you want ops here? in case spammers come in so they can be dealt with without silencing JM-IRCRelay on freenode 12:25 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] hi belcher, in theory i'd not mind, but using web-irc via TAILS here. Unsure how i'd register a nick with that (last time i used real irc was like 20 years ago...) 12:26 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] let me check if there's an easy way to do this without having to adjust my workflows too much; always willing to help though, of course. 12:29 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] alright, that was easy. Can do, only minor modifications were needed 12:35 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] do you always use tails to visit here AlexCato ? 12:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] yup 12:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] according to this page, tails has pidgin already installed 12:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] which can be an irc client 12:37 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] oh, indeed. That might make things even easier 12:39 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] so if you want, make yourself a nickserv account and ill add you 12:41 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] waxwing ill add you if you agree 12:44 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] i did, this account is registered now (works nicely with webchat, pidgin complains about an invalid ssl cert so i wont use that) 12:45 < JM-IRCRelay> [waxwing] belcher: thanks, that'd be good 12:48 < belcher> looks like the onion on CGAN crashed 12:48 < belcher> thankfully we've got agora irc too :D 12:48 < belcher> actualyl i think it was a netsplit rather than the onion, since JM-IRCRelay /quit too but it doesnt use the onion 12:53 <@waxwing> sheesh 246 in cgan pit 13:18 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] flags set on AlexCato and waxwing's accounts, try /cs op #joinmarket 13:18 < JM-IRCRelay> [waxwing] ok thanks 13:18 < JM-IRCRelay> [waxwing] i'll leave it on, why not 13:19 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] sure 13:27 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] alright, works! 13:28 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-joloimvalxcuxrja] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:28 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] pidgin doesnt like /cs though, but /msg chanserv works 13:33 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] ah yes, i knew that about pidgin 13:41 < Anduck> you can also try /quote chanserv 13:43 < belcher> so i realised this today in a flash of bitter inspiration https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/470#issuecomment-260671512 13:44 < belcher> that feature was one thing i was working on, now it seems it probably needs a small protocol update (which i think can be backward compatible) 13:45 < belcher> since iv been thinking one of the really serious privacy problems still is that blockr.io is the default, and for tails users i cant imagine they would sync a full node through tor only to delete it all after they reboot 13:47 < belcher> waxwing, adlai + others, should we have a meeting at some point? we talked briefly about this idea in milan, to see what we're all thinking about 13:47 <@waxwing> sure 13:48 <@waxwing> just idly wondering about the above; querying the utxo set at least doesn't expose ownership of outputs, right? 13:48 < belcher> depends on the method use to query? using blockr.io might 13:49 <@waxwing> well, meh, it's a false trail almost certainly. there's just too much going to be exposed via querying a centralized explorer, even over Tor perhaps. 13:50 <@waxwing> isn't electrum at least slightly better? distributed, there's that. it doesn't use any bloom filter type stuff does it? 13:51 < belcher> yes electrum is better 13:51 < belcher> bloom filters dont improve privacy at all, only amount of bandwidth used 13:51 <@waxwing> if you want to set a time for a meeting, i'm pretty much always around although before about 8pm UTC is better, unfortunately that doesn't really fit with you too well 13:51 < belcher> if its on IRC i could still come on during the day 13:52 < belcher> in my view even electrum isnt great, id like one day that default is that #653 Full block SPV sync 13:52 < belcher> since it takes no configuring and most users who leave everything as the default could use it 13:53 <@waxwing> so how does the maker send proof of the utxo's value and script? is this SPV? sorry haven't thought about these things at all, it's not clear in my mind. 13:54 < belcher> no its much simpler 13:54 < belcher> if the utxo is txid:n, the maker sends the entire txhex 13:54 < belcher> taker only needs to check tx_hash(txhex) == txid, and the nth output will have the amount and script 13:55 <@waxwing> does taker also need to check the txid is a real utxo? 13:55 <@waxwing> i mean, a real tx? 13:56 < belcher> that it was even mined and that its still unspent 13:56 < belcher> good question, i guess market forces will mean makers wont send fake utxos 13:56 < belcher> but they might still to dos.. 13:56 <@waxwing> yes i was vaguely guessing that, but wasn't sure. 13:57 < belcher> one way could also be to add the merkle branches that prove it was mined in a block, but that doesnt prove its still unspent 13:57 <@waxwing> i'd love for someone to put together a non-irc messaging server. we're getting bloaty as hell and it's only going in one direction :) 13:57 < belcher> yes, its just more data :| 13:57 * waxwing advertises https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/650 14:00 < belcher> an issue with not being able to prove its still unspent is that a taker wont know which maker dos'd them 14:00 < belcher> so doesnt know who to ban :( 14:01 <@waxwing> i suppose SPV is the right thing to do 14:02 < belcher> but it doesnt let you do a lookup of an arbitrary utxo 16:27 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 16:40 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aggbqusxbdlvdgmz] has joined #joinmarket 18:23 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:44 -!- wombat_ [cock@install.gentoo.today] has quit [Quit: FUCK GOD, FUCK RELIGION, AND FUCK YOU. I HATE YOU, I HATE YOUR COUNTRY, AND I HATE YOUR FACE!] 19:26 < owowo> lol 19:43 < JM-IRCRelay> [unresolved] sup 21:38 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aggbqusxbdlvdgmz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:00 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@unaffiliated/yohkii] has joined #joinmarket 23:07 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wigihvkwbcatlrdi] has joined #joinmarket 23:24 -!- Yohkii_ [~Yohkii___@dhcp2185-stud.wifi.uit.no] has joined #joinmarket 23:24 -!- Yohkii_ [~Yohkii___@dhcp2185-stud.wifi.uit.no] has quit [Client Quit] 23:27 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@unaffiliated/yohkii] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]