--- Day changed Thu Nov 17 2016 00:36 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:09 -!- gielbier [~michiel@unaffiliated/gielbier] has joined #joinmarket 01:52 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has joined #joinmarket 01:52 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:01 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:10 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 05:53 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 06:00 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has joined #joinmarket 06:01 < teenislol> http://sprunge.us/hFhH 06:02 < teenislol> this seems to happen while trying to send payments from the 5th mixdepth of this wallet file 06:02 < teenislol> even with direct send 06:21 < teenislol> ls 06:27 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:48 <@waxwing> the 5th mixdepth has index 4 (starts from 0) 06:51 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has joined #joinmarket 06:51 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 06:52 <@waxwing> if you actually meant the 6th mixdepth (depth 5) then it'd be -m 5 for sendpayment. if it still fails there let us know. 06:56 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has joined #joinmarket 08:02 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14 -!- bsm1175321 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined #joinmarket 09:09 -!- Steb [4d656dda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.101.109.218] has joined #joinmarket 09:12 -!- Steb [4d656dda@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.101.109.218] has quit [Client Quit] 09:53 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has joined #joinmarket 09:58 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:29 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #joinmarket 10:29 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 10:30 < a87ry5> Hey guys, what makes a CJ noninteractive exactly? is it how the signatures are aggregated? 10:33 <@waxwing> coinjoin is interactive 10:33 < K1773R> the question is flawed anyway 10:33 < a87ry5> Well, MimbleWimble style Coinnjoins with OWAS 10:34 <@waxwing> ah right, good point 10:34 < bsm1175321> Yes, it's noninteractive because a third party can aggregate the signatures. 10:34 < a87ry5> thnx bob 10:35 <@waxwing> basically homomorphicness of the signatures on the excess. or something :) 10:35 < a87ry5> ;p :) 10:36 < bsm1175321> Some of us are better at staying anonymous than others... :-/ 10:36 <@waxwing> heh 10:37 <@waxwing> i get confused about this, iirc the schnorr N of N multisig proposal is interactive because even though schnorr has that homomorphicness like sig1 + sig2 is valid sig from party 1,2, nevertheless that is not a safe construction without other shenanigans. 10:40 < bsm1175321> I'm confused by that too. Do you have a ref as to why that's not a safe construction? 10:40 <@waxwing> you remember maybe; the problem was pubkey subtraction 10:41 <@waxwing> let me see if i can dig something up 10:45 <@waxwing> hmm, think i confused two things; see "Cancellation" in the transcript: https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures/ 10:46 <@waxwing> that's what i meant about subtraction. but interactivity is for nonces I think; see https://github.com/sipa/secp256k1/blob/schnorrstages2/src/modules/schnorr/schnorr.md#multisigning-combine-stage-2-signatures-into-a-full-signature 10:46 <@waxwing> (although apparently that is now out of date and not to be used as a reference) 10:47 < bsm1175321> thanks 10:48 -!- BonyM1 [~BonyM-I@ua-83-227-211-4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:50 <@waxwing> first link is enough i guess: "how this mechanism works is that there is a two-round interaction scheme where they each pick nonces, they communicate to each other and add them together to get an overall r value which everyone knows, and then signs using this nonce with their own key getting three signatures, then you combine all the s values into the final s value which is a signature valid for the sum of their public keys" 10:51 <@waxwing> interactivity is the death of protocols though... 10:52 < bsm1175321> Aaaaahhh sipa's zooming slides make me dizzy 10:52 < arubi> I thought BLS was supposed to be schnorr + noninteractive CJ? 10:52 * arubi links... 10:52 <@waxwing> BLS is pairing crypto isn't it 10:52 < arubi> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1377298.0 10:52 < arubi> yea 10:53 <@waxwing> schnorr is much less "ambitious", security proof etc etc 10:53 <@waxwing> mimblewimble is basically kinda like what OWAS does but without the moon math. i think. 10:54 <@waxwing> well, the sinking signature is slightly lunar :) 10:54 <@waxwing> but that's not part of the original proposal 10:54 < arubi> I still haven't looked at mw at all :( 10:54 <@waxwing> hey you have a leg up, since you know borromean ring sigs, what are you waiting for ? :) 10:55 <@waxwing> (no need to answer that) 10:55 < arubi> haha, pairing for beginners .pdf this weekend :) 10:58 -!- Einherjer [~einherjer@69.64.40.177] has joined #joinmarket 11:01 < arubi> huh. "ISRG Root X1" was added to ca-certificates in debian testing two weeks ago, I knew this will happen but now that it did I don't know how to feel about that :) 11:01 -!- BonyM1 [~BonyM-I@ua-83-227-211-4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #joinmarket 11:07 < arubi> I mean I walk around with the laptop, I don't think wget does certificate pinning? maybe I need to buy more tinfoil 11:19 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has joined #joinmarket 11:24 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:35 < btcdrak> has there been any progress on https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/592 ? 11:36 < btcdrak> We've started talking again about removing accounts (and having a labels api) 11:36 < btcdrak> the conversation is going on in #bitcoin-core-dev now 11:36 < btcdrak> ping belcher, waxwing ^ 11:41 < instagibbs> specifically everyone is going to look at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7729 11:42 < OverlordQ> is there any penalty for having a large number of addresses in a mixdepth? For most its like 6 addresses, but on one it's about 25 11:47 < OverlordQ> Just want to avoid them being split up so minutely that spending one of the inputs ends up costs nearly as much as the input itself 11:56 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58 <@waxwing> OverlordQ: use merge_algorithm setting in joinmarket.cfg to avoid too large splitting over time 11:58 <@waxwing> btcdrak: don't think so, at least not yet 12:05 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 12:09 <@waxwing> instagibbs: thanks for link 12:23 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:36 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 12:38 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 14:14 < adlai> I believe doing weekly JM dev meetings is good 14:15 < adlai> at least, speaking for myself, my schedule fills up with coursework and if i don't really schedule time to spend on JM, it won't happen 14:27 < belcher> idk if we have enough material to do meetings so regularly 14:28 < belcher> bitcoin core has how many contributers and a lot of them work on it full time, and they only manage weekly 14:28 < belcher> maybe monthly ? or just when we ask for one 14:32 < gmaxwell> a problem with monthy meetings is that people forget. 14:34 -!- teenislol [~teenislol@2a01:d0:d6f9::1] has joined #joinmarket 14:36 < adlai> forgetoing is a solved problem 14:37 < adlai> monthly is probably fine 14:43 * adlai realizd that he had written "weekly" becaule of that other meeting 14:45 < belcher> so when is a good time for the first one? how about a weekend 15:11 -!- a87ry5 [~a87ry5@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 15:58 < adlai> how about this. what's on the agenda, anyway? 16:02 < belcher> i think waxwing might be asleep 16:05 * adlai doesn't mean starting the meeting now, but what's on the agenda, anyway? 16:06 < belcher> wanted to tell that im thinking about blockchaininterfaces and other things that can make this one day work with a gui, also getting an irc bot for this channel, making patientsendpayment work again now that the protocol is updated 16:06 < belcher> also wanted to hear what others are thinking about 16:08 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii___@unaffiliated/yohkii] has joined #joinmarket 16:13 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:14 -!- AdrianG [~User@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16 -!- Pasha [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined #joinmarket 16:16 -!- AdrianG [~User@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined #joinmarket 16:22 -!- Pasha is now known as Cory 17:18 -!- opal [h@volatile.ch] has joined #joinmarket 17:18 < opal> ♡♤ 01 14 01 agora - Notice -> opal: Posting requires solving a captcha. ♧♢ 17:18 < opal> ♡♤ 01 14 01 agora - Notice -> opal: Please go to http://y5fmhyqdr6r7ddws.onion/irccaptcha/?id=LQhUemxejWOa2V63vgiD to see the captcha. ♧♢ 17:18 < opal> ♡♤ 01 14 01 agora - Notice -> opal: Simply enter the solution into the chat. ♧♢ 17:18 < opal> ♡♤ they dont care about joinmarket, thats for sure ♧♢ 17:22 < teenislol> h 17:22 < opal> ♡♤ h ♧♢ 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ whos the admin for agora again ♧♢ 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ i forget and im not going to ♧♢ 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ nickserv info everyone there ♧♢ 17:23 < teenislol> u could scroll 17:23 < teenislol> and find out 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ no the opers there are retards ♧♢ 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ they dont ban ♧♢ 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ like at all ♧♢ 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ they just implement ♧♢ 17:23 < opal> ♡♤ retarded captcha solutions ♧♢ 17:24 < teenislol> should 17:24 < teenislol> tell freenode 17:24 < teenislol> about this 17:24 < teenislol> revolutionary new irc technology 17:24 < opal> ♡♤ lmao ♧♢ 17:24 < teenislol> kloeri would 17:24 < teenislol> jump right on it 17:32 < opal> ♡♤ waxwing or anyone else who knnows ♧♢ 17:32 < opal> ♡♤ who is the agora admin ♧♢ 17:46 < opal> ♡♤ nvm someone opped up ♧♢ 17:46 < opal> ♡♤ currently goig to ♧♢ 17:46 < opal> ♡♤ rape them ♧♢ 18:24 < roasbeef> 🐔 18:42 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:37 < opal> ♡♤ lol ♧♢ 20:00 * midnightmagic stabs 22:10 -!- K1773R [~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:15 -!- K1773R [~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r] has joined #joinmarket 22:19 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:05 <@waxwing> teenislol: did you see my answer yesterday