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05:11 < tergi> I added this and a similar line to bitcoin.conf, alertnotify=curl -sI --connect-timeout 1 http://localhost:62602/alertnotify?%s. When the yield gen is running i don't see that port open on my system with netstat. How do i confirm this is working right? directing a browser to the address just shows connection refused.
05:14 < belcher> it opens it for the first time when a coinjoin happens
05:15 < belcher> that alert thing is a bit of a legacy, the network alert system has been retired
05:17 < tergi> ok. is it unnecessary then, i can remove it from the bitcoin.conf?
05:20 < belcher> i guess so
05:20 < belcher> you'll need the walletnotify thing of course
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07:17 < tergi> Just had my first CoinJoin! looks like things are working :)
07:18 < belcher> !     
08:14 < tergi> well, as i say that, it looks like im getting errrors on the console now, failed to send ping message on socket
08:14 < tergi> and irc ping timed out
08:14 < tergi> errored while trying to quit error(9, 'Bad file descriptor')
08:17 < tergi> looks like something happened shortly after the join happened. i got a goodtx message, then started the listening thread, then saw tx on network.
08:17 < tergi> error do not have any coins left
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08:18 < tergi> then, modify orders to cancel = 0, then the wallet notify comes in... then a pubmsg then it gets exception on MCThread
08:18 < belcher> probably you only have one input now? which is still unspent
08:18 < belcher> ah     
08:19 < belcher> could you use scrub-log.py and upload it?
08:19 < belcher> opening an issue on github would be great so other devs can see
08:26 < tergi> ok     
08:26 < tergi> http://pastebin.com/YBycRd3B
08:32 < belcher> dont know..
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08:35 <@waxwing> dinner time here but the description above perfectly matches 659
08:35 <@waxwing> sorry 660
08:36 <@waxwing> i believe my description there is right, after looking at all those logs from that guy
08:36 <@waxwing> should be a simple fix
08:36 <@waxwing> sorry haven't looked at ^ pastebin yet
08:46 < Anduck> when yigen is shut down.. does it release the walletnotify hook?
08:48 < belcher> you mean the port? yes it does
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09:34 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] @belcher / waxwing / adlai, about #657 ( https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/657 ): currently working on that, wonder if I really should use 144 as the cutoff between the interpretation as target_block and sat/kb. Thinking about potentially accidental mis-use of the number by users. So if a user uses something between (around) 145 and
09:34 < JM-IRCRelay> 10000, it creates a TX that probably never confirms
09:34 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] on the other side, anything >25 is used either as low prio fee (blockr) or hardcoded at 30k sat/kb (bitcoin-core)
09:35 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] hmm
09:35 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] so i think a better cutoff point might be 10000 or so. Still very low and unlikely to confirm at any speed
09:35 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] idk but i chose 144 because thats the number of blocks in a day
09:35 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] but doesnt break anything and has a chance to confirm
09:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] there are use cases for fee rates that low
09:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] if you use 5000sat/kb it could confirm
09:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] even 1000 iv seen, like at christmas or some time when theres nothing
09:37 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] some people have a very low time preference, although i guess makers might not be happy with that
09:38 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] then a good compromise might be: use 1000-5000 now, decrease to 26 when we have an implementation for makers to reject takers with too low tx fees
09:43 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] alright
09:43 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] why 26 later?
09:44 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] well i guess algorithms might never be able to measure up to 144 blocks
09:44 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] because bitcoin core estimates work from 1-25
09:44 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] but return -1 for every other choice
09:44 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] id say that then inside BitcoinCoreInterface it should check whether it's > 25
09:45 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] since there are other algorithms for predicting the fee, its an active research area
09:52 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] though that might change as well at any point, i'm not following the core code changes; i think i'll prefer to go with your initial suggestion of 144 and handle it the same for all estimation sources
09:56 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] yes, the 25 thing is specific to bitcoin core
10:14 < tergi> once the transaction is posted and you see it in the transaction list in core, is it safe to shut down and restart yield gen for config changes/adding funds?
10:19 < belcher> yes     
10:20 < belcher> its easier if its confirmed already
10:20 < tergi> is 1 confirmation enough or does it need 6
10:20 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] AlexCato opened pull request #665: Allow users to set their own tx fees, as suggested in #657 (develop...develop) https://git.io/vXbQE
10:20 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] 1 is enough
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12:31 < Anduck> belcher: ok, ty
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13:42 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] AlexCato do you think your code for the tx fee might end up being duplicated?
13:43 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] so if you write another blockchaininterface you need the same logic, if N > 144: return N
13:43 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] it might be better to put that logic in just one place where estimate_fee_per_kb() is used
13:44 <@waxwing> prob use base class for that
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14:09 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] Empty2k12 opened pull request #666: Add total profit to history command in wallet-tool (develop...history-profit) https://git.io/vXNvO
14:13 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] waxing: but the base class is abstract so far; could use that or the solution belcher suggested, estimate_tx_fee(...) in wallet.py
14:15 <@waxwing> yes i know, it would need rejigging, but base class being abstract doesn't mean you can't do it, just have something like estimate_tx_fee be callable and then some subsidiary call within the instantiated classes
14:15 <@waxwing> architecturally, the right way to avoid the code duplication is to put it in the parent class, not to assume that it'll only be called in one place in the calling code
14:16 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] yeah, i've done stuff like that in c++, pretty sure i can get it done in python as well. Will change the implementation within the next week
14:16 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] which will be quite busy for me, so i cant promise a date
14:16 <@waxwing> done a first real tx from electrum plugin ... again :) "first"
14:16 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] great that you're still on that :)
14:17 <@waxwing> totally new codebase, so .. uh a bit more to do before it's even testable really
14:18 <@waxwing> this arch. should be *much* better, separated the dependencies, etc etc. installation should be quite sane/simple once it's all fixed up nicely.
14:20 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] ease of use is so important, plus the electrum gui. Looking forward to that!
14:20 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] And now i gotta run (afk)
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08:49 < OverlordQ> 2oops, looks like somebody doesn't like agora
08:50 < OverlordQ> waxwing: You got ops there?
08:50 <@waxwing> OverlordQ: yeah, i have to connect, hang on
08:52 <@waxwing> can't connect it seems
08:53 < OverlordQ> well it seemed to stop suddenly
08:53 <@waxwing> yeah. dunno why but i cant connect over Tor or clearnet from xchat. bot still up.
08:53 < OverlordQ> right port, it's nonstandard for clearnet
08:54 <@waxwing> yes, i have the port right
08:54 < OverlordQ> just left the chan fwiw
08:55 < OverlordQ> oops and they're back again lol
08:57 <@waxwing> OverlordQ: i'm back in via Tor
08:57 <@waxwing> how do i ban, if it's possible?
08:58 < Anduck> someone spamming it?
08:59 <@waxwing> yes     
08:59 < OverlordQ> like crazy
08:59 < Anduck> waxwing: yes.. op yourself and do
08:59 <@waxwing> they have about 250 bots
08:59 <@waxwing> i'm opped
08:59 < Anduck> do /mode #channel +b ex*
08:59 < Anduck> wait
08:59 < Anduck> +b ex*@*
08:59 < Anduck> ex*!*@*
09:00 <@waxwing> i got #channel :You must have channel halfop access or above to set channel mode b
09:00 < Anduck> hmm.. try /ban ex*!*@*
09:00 < Anduck> or maybe half ops cant add bans :(
09:00 < Anduck> well ,seemed to work?
09:00 < OverlordQ> no, he's full op
09:00 <@waxwing> that did something yeah
09:01 < Anduck> banmasks are nick!ident@host
09:01 <@waxwing> but, if someone's determined this method won't help much..
09:01 < Anduck> indeed
09:02 <@waxwing> i guess that's one kind of fuzz testing...
09:03 <@waxwing> ping me here if it comes back
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09:05 < OverlordQ> fuck
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09:05 < OverlordQ> just set +m for now
09:06 <@waxwing> what does that do?
09:06 <@waxwing> btw you didn't ping me :)
09:06 < OverlordQ> nobody can talk lol
09:06 < Anduck> +m makes everyone unable to speak
09:06 <@waxwing> ok but will ygs crash i wonder?
09:06 < Anduck> yes     
09:06 < OverlordQ> they wont be able to do anything
09:06 < Anduck> waxwing: i suggest you dont run any commands there that you dont specifically know what they do
09:07 < OverlordQ> FWIW I think camila is the bot herder
09:07 <@waxwing> Anduck: sure. i'm open to suggestions :)
09:07 < Anduck> this spam shouldnt affect yigens or takers i think
09:09 < Anduck> waxwing: if network admins are around, they can probably help
09:09 < Anduck> (if this is even a problem...)
09:09 <@waxwing> sure, i just pinged smuggler
09:09 <@waxwing> in #agora
09:09 <@waxwing> and yes, as is, it's not harmful
09:10 < Anduck> guess it fills peoples logs though
09:10 <@waxwing> yes     
09:11 < OverlordQ> try, /mode #joinmarket-pit +f *5:5
09:11 < OverlordQ> it'll set a ratelimit of messages to 5 per 5 sec
09:11 <@waxwing> does it only apply to pubmsgs?
09:12 < Anduck> yes     
09:12 < Anduck> remove the ex*!*@* ban btw. might be a legit client joining with that nick
09:13 <@waxwing> makes sense. how do i do that?
09:13 < Anduck> same command, but /unban
09:18 < OverlordQ> But yeah, the +f 5:5, will keep em from sending more than 5 messages every 5 secs before they're automatically kicked, then you can remove the +m
09:18 < Anduck> +m makes everyone unable to speak!!
09:18 <@waxwing> yes, i know
09:18 <@waxwing> i have to be a good citizen and help agora do what they want to do
09:18 < Anduck> better not make +m at all because the spam itself isnt even affecting users, but +m will
09:19 <@waxwing> ygs *should* continue to work on cgan, if not, oh well
09:19 < OverlordQ> Actual volume on agora was pretty small, and most are dual'd on cgan anyways
09:19 < Anduck> btw logs grow about 400kB/minute
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09:22 < Anduck> so, about 24MB per day which is actually significant
09:26 <@waxwing> any crash reports? i wouldn't have thought so, but didn't have time to think about it
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09:31 < OverlordQ> nope
09:31 <@waxwing> they tried to come back but got blocked by a join rate limit (plus i still haven't unmuted, either)
09:32 <@waxwing> and i also set the flood limit of 5 messages per 5 seconds, does anyone know if that cross-applies to private messages? i guess it's channel specific?
09:32 <@waxwing> the general flood limits on private messages are handled by our throttling queues, at least should be
09:32 < Anduck> it is channel specific
09:32 <@waxwing> back in the day we used to crash all the time because of that, but ever since ThrottleThread it's been fine
09:37 <@waxwing> i was taking a break at the time, if anyone else wants to figure out if this will cause a problem when a bot tries to reannounce orders let me know.
09:37 <@waxwing> well, or, i'll just unmute, and let the join limit prevent huge floods of crap
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09:55 < Empty2k12> Can somebody tell me about the developent cycle? How often are new versions built, how is decided which pull requests / features get included?
10:01 <@waxwing> Empty2k12: dont' think there's anything special to report; there's 3 of us with commit access, new versions when it seems appropriate basically, there's a list of the releases in docs/ directory, there's a contributing.md with description of process (it's very limited but worth a quick look). i guess like most open source projects?
10:03 < Empty2k12> @waxwing cool. I will see if i can contribute more. Maybe more than a line next time :D
10:04 <@waxwing> nice Empty2k12 , thanks
10:05 <@waxwing> seems like the 5 year olds have left agora .. for now
10:05 <@waxwing> huh, apart from one guy who thinks it's super amusing to post !hp2s
10:07 <@waxwing> and just as i said it, they tried to come back...
10:22 < Anduck> what does !hp2 do?
10:22 <@waxwing> broadcasts the H(P2) commitments (PoDLE)
10:22 < Anduck> ok. i kinda had a hunch :P
10:22 <@waxwing> basically when you get sent a commitment by a taker, you forward it to a random peer, who then broadcasts it on the channel
10:22 < OverlordQ> higher than usual volume today? or just my imagination
10:23 <@waxwing> that re-routing is to make it less obvious who the participants were. debatable how useful that part is.
10:23 <@waxwing> not for me, but judging by !hp2 it seems reasonably active. i'm sure it depends a lot on your amount ranges and, of course, fees :)
10:24 <@waxwing> one thing we could do is put timestamps in the blacklist then you could easily track !hp2 usage over time, which gives an upper limit on tx volume. could be a decent proxy.
10:28 <@waxwing> 84 counterparties but 287 in the cgan pit. the excess can't all be ob-watcher and tumblers.
10:29 <@waxwing> well ok there are like 15-20 non bots, but still
10:36 < Empty2k12> @waxwing why is IRC even used? couldnt a p2p/f2f chat be built under JoinMarket?
10:36 <@waxwing> there's a couple of aspects to it.
10:36 <@waxwing> first, see the notes in the introductory section here: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/JoinMarket-Docs/blob/master/High-level-design.md#messaging-layer
10:37 <@waxwing> second, see issue #650 .
10:37 <@waxwing> i'm still not completely convinced about the argument against a p2p network in that section (see "For example in a pure p2p network the makers have an incentive to not forward offers from competing makers"), but it is a very serious point to conside
10:37 <@waxwing> consider
10:38 <@waxwing> in #650 i'm trying to advertise the fact that building and adding another messaging server should be relatively easy
10:40 <@waxwing> at one point i played around with using hidden services connecting in p2p as is done in e.g. ricochet and bitsquare. i think it could be plausible. or, something else.
10:43 < Empty2k12> @waxwing i never considered the non forwarding argument. this is pretty strong. maybe require takers to run the "node code" as well. also if its a mesh network and there is one or two malicious makers that wont be a problem
10:44 < Empty2k12> @waxwing you could even blacklist makers if they fail to relay other makers commands repeatedly
10:44 <@waxwing> yes. only thing about Takers is, by nature, they often join and leave quickly, they don't stay around
10:45 <@waxwing> i think the counterargument against economically incentivised Maker censorship is that you only need a few honest nodes, bootstraps etc but it's tricky. having quasi-centralized rendezvous points might be workable i guess, i could certainly imagine it working out OK.
10:47 <@waxwing> increasing joinmarket size by a couple of orders of magnitude might realistically *require* p2p, even if a central server can handle the traffic (it can), it's too easy a point of DOS attack
10:47 <@waxwing> federated servers (which we have now) is obviously an amelioration, though, to be fair
10:47 < Empty2k12> waxwing: you would require some "fixed" nodes in any case. or you dive into advanced peer discovery 
10:47 <@waxwing> yeah
10:48 <@waxwing> actually i retract "federated servers" that's a bit misleading; what we have now is maybe just "duplicated" servers which helps with redundancy and censorship resistance, but may still hit bandwidth llimits pretty quickly
10:51 < Empty2k12> waxwing: luckily this does not require a "blockchain", the messages do not need to be persistent. even in the short time the taker script is running he/she can relay messages since there is no need to sync older messages. its kinda like IRC you only see messages that have been sent while you where there
10:51 <@waxwing> yes, that's true. and some takers are long-lived (see tumbler). however, the nature of the system is that Makers will be dominant as a percentage at any one time, i believe.
11:22 < Empty2k12> waxwing: sorry for bothering, i'm currently looking if there is anything I can do and I was looking at this issue https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/656. What are tries from utxos? How would one go about figuring them out?
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12:13 <@waxwing> Empty2k12: see https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Sourcing-commitments-for-joins as a starting point, also maybe the 0.2.0 release notes and the blog posts on https://joinmarket.me/blog/blog
12:13 <@waxwing> ask if you have questions, it's a bit involved :)
12:14 < Empty2k12> waxwing: thanks! going read that soon
12:24 < tergi> Mempool is getting bigger
12:42 <@waxwing> joinmarket/blockchaininterface.py", line 440, in __init__ -> Broken pipe happens if blockchain fork, apparently (tx included in both blocks)
12:42 <@waxwing> noting here in case i forget
12:43 < Empty2k12> waxwing: also this http://pastebin.com/ndqpBhnU
12:45 <@waxwing> ah, unfortunate, i guess this is best avoided by allowing the minsize to be set dynamically. also we should have output the values on assertion fail there, would have helped
12:46 < Empty2k12> waxwing: I can create a issue on github if you want
12:46 <@waxwing> most likely after a tx got broadcast, the coins you had left in the max mixdepth were of very small value and hence less than whatever the hardcoded minsize is
12:46 <@waxwing> yes that's worth an open issue for sure. post as much info as you can. you can do scrub-log.py on the log to anon it.
12:47 < Empty2k12> waxwing: how do I find out which log is from my current bot?
12:48 <@waxwing> i just do ls -lart :)
12:49 < Empty2k12> clever
12:58 < tergi> do you need both numpy and scipy to get the % of return on your maker?
13:00 < tergi> the wiki sounds like its one or the other
13:01 < Empty2k12> tergi: yes, I used "pip install --user numpy scipy matplotlib ipython jupyter pandas sympy nose" to install numpy, scipy and its dependencies and it's working beautfully
13:02 < Empty2k12> tergi: If you feel comfortable working with code you can manually add my pull request (https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/pull/666) to see your total profit in BTC
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15:20 < tergi> I am taking a guess that this wont work on windows
15:20 < tergi> seems to toss some errors during install of the packages
15:31 < belcher> * This channel has been closed to new users for 60 seconds because there have been more than 3 joins in 20 seconds.
15:31 < belcher> some "attacked" agora irc lol
15:31 < belcher> looks like you guys have already dealt with it
15:32 < tergi> huh i have not seen anyone coming or going really
15:32 < belcher> in agora irc :) not here on freenode
15:33 < tergi> oh ok
15:33 < belcher> looks like some bots joined and spammed messages (which dont follow the joinmarket protocol so were completely ignored)
15:33 < tergi> man i have a transaction from 8:12 am this morning thats still sitting around its nearing 12 hours old :P
15:33 < belcher> hmm     
15:33 < belcher> are you a maker or taker?
15:33 < tergi> maker. its odd because ones after that have come through fine.
15:34 < belcher> the miner fee handling is a bit broken right now
15:34 < belcher> you should be okay it will confirm eventually
15:34 < belcher> irc bots attacking agora, they must think they're so smart, irc botnets are so 2002
15:35 < tergi> lol     
15:35 < tergi> yea the fees on the ones that went through were pretty high compared to this other one.
15:35 < tergi> mempool is pretty full right now compared to earlier in the day alsop
15:36 < belcher> well the mempool size can be easily gamed, a better metric is market fee rate
15:36 < belcher> i prefer bitcoinfees.github.io but theres other algos for it
16:52 < tergi> Empty2k12, are you running windows or linux?
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22:00 < Empty2k12_> tergi: I'm running Linux
22:01 < tergi> ok thnx
22:01 < Empty2k12_> I have four unconfirmed txns, one of them is almost 12 hours old as well
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