--- Day changed Wed Nov 23 2016
00:19 <@waxwing> Empty2k12_: i had several stuck ones complete overnight, one took 3 hours, one 6.5, one took 15(!) hours. in past periods where the mempool got huge, this rarely if ever happened (i can only remember one or two multi-hour confirmations), all transactions got confirmed quickly in a block or two. and even this time, there were several other transactions that confirmed in a few minutes each.
00:20 <@waxwing> it's always possible for  your counterparties to set a low fee, an outstanding issue is to allow makers to declare their willingness to sign only transactions with a certain fee level. but it has not really been a problem, and even when transactions get stuck it doesn't do much.
00:21 <@waxwing> tergi: i can only presume the problem is putty. i agree that transferring a json file over isn't likely to be the issue (CRLF shouldn't matter for parsing json), although it's conceivable there's something weird there.
00:24 <@waxwing> (a) try the experiment with a smaller password (b) put a line like print(password) just above this line: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/master/joinmarket/wallet.py#L185
00:25 <@waxwing> and (c) try the experiment not using putty (but pls save yourself from typing 100 chars! use a shorter password)
00:25 <@waxwing> you can do all this with a newly generated empty wallet to avoid issues
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04:13 < tergi> waxwing: i opened an issue where i outlined all my steps i think i covered all the possible tests that pigeons and i could come up with. as far as i can tell only long passwords are the issue. I dont know at how many characters it starts... i just know it happens for 100 character passwords
04:14 < tergi> i did also try another ssh client other than putty. 
04:14 <@waxwing> tergi: appreciated, thanks
04:15 < tergi> the issue occured when the 100 character protected wallet was made on debian and moved to windows also. it wouldnt authenticate on the windows side
04:15 <@waxwing> btw can you also double check the python version being used on each side?
04:16 <@waxwing> well, it shouldn't matter, what you've given so far is enough. perhaps someone else can pick it up, i'm busy. if someone does want to pick it up:
04:17 <@waxwing> the evidence is pointing to it being a problem with btc.bin_dbl_sha256 ; a natural thing to do is check it vs hashlib.sha256().digest() with strings of length 100
04:17 <@waxwing> and in particular compare the output on windows vs linux
04:19 < tergi> I have not touched python since .... i had an introduction in college which was back in 2001 or 2002
04:20 <@waxwing> yeah py version should almost certainly be an issue in as much as joinmarket just doesn't work with python3. and i can't believe python 2.7.x matters much (which x). the note above is the first port of call i think. i added it to the github issue.
04:20 < tergi> Ok, thanks. 
04:21 < tergi> If no one else has tackled after im out of work perhaps ill poke around at it and see what i can do :)
04:23 <@waxwing> gah, should almost certainly *NOT* be an issue, i meant tergi 
04:24 < tergi> Sure, i understood.
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07:01 < Empty2k12_> belcher: Are you here?
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07:48 < Turle99> Hi, can you assist with installation on tails OS?
07:49 < Turle99> Im following https://github.com/joinmarket-org/joinmarket#tails-quick-install-for-users
07:49 < Turle99> but get the following error on step 5
07:50 < Turle99> tar xzf joinmarket-0.2.2.tar.gz tar (child): joinmarket-0.2.2.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
07:52 < pigeons> the filename may be different as the version may have changed since that doc
08:02 < Turle99> hi pigeons, that helped, but then I ran into the error on step 6
08:02 < Turle99> amnesia@amnesia:~/joinmarket-0.2.2$ sudo torsocks pip install -r requirements.txt [sudo] password for amnesia:  ERROR: pip cannot be found.
08:05 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] pip should have been installed in step3
08:05 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] did you get an error there as well?
08:05 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] maybe missed the command's 2nd line?
08:07 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] (step 3 should be done all in one command, so the thing you should enter on the terminal is):
08:07 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] sudo apt-get install build-essential automake libtool pkg-config libffi-dev python-dev python libsodium-dev python-pip -y
08:09 < Empty2k12> hey AlexCato are you active on the subreddit?
08:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] sometimes
08:10 < Empty2k12> You have contributed to the Project right? Whats your reddit username? I can add a Contributor flair if you want
08:11 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] i'm AlexCato on reddit, and yes, i've contributed whenever i found some time :)
08:13 < Empty2k12> AlexCato 👍
08:13 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] thanks!
08:14 < Empty2k12> There is something similar on GitHub so I thought it's just appropriate for the sub as well
08:20 <@waxwing> pigeons: Turle99 the version has not changed from 0.2.2, which is what it is in the readme (which is what turle linked to)
08:21 < pigeons> hm :P
08:26 < tergi> i know in one document the file name was not the same as the filename that downloaded
08:26 < Turle99> getting the error on step 8
08:26 < Turle99> sudo cp -r /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/libnacl [sudo] password for amnesia:  cp: missing destination file operand after ‘/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/libnacl’ Try 'cp --help' for more information
08:26 < tergi> ie in his document joinmarket-0.2.2.tar.gz was actually something like v0.2.2.tar.gz
08:27 < Turle99> ^^ yes I had to rename the file for it to work
08:28 < tergi> Turle99: you will need to get some dependencies installed for python it looks like. I had a heck of a time sorting it all out on debian
08:28 < tergi> for me i found out i could install most of them with apt-get.
08:28 < tergi> is tails based on ubuntu?
08:29 < tergi> if you can get aptitude installed it has a search feature
08:29 < tergi> aptitude search libnacl
08:29 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] yes, it is. But i really did test the tails quick install guide on a fresh trails image a few weeks back. It should work exactly like written there
08:29 < tergi> if its redhat based, yum search libnacl
08:30 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] from the error in step 6 you described above, i believe there went something wrong in step 3. Have you seen what i wrote about it earlier, a few lines up?
08:31 < Turle99> can anyone point me in the direction of the last working version that runs on tails, believe it was fivepiece?
08:31 <@waxwing> tergi: Turle99 pigeons i see, i thought you were talking about the version number, but you meant the filename, my mistake.
08:31 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] 0.2.2 does work on tails, it's definately not the JM files which have a problem
08:33 < pigeons> i wasnt specific, i was just throwing out ideas 
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10:10 < tergi> You will have to forgive me, but im a developer newb when it comes to working with git and open source projects. everything i work on im the sole developer... but if i wanted to play with the code base and perhaps contribute some feature...how would i go about that
10:11 <@waxwing> tergi: start with "git clone https://github.com/joinmarket-org/joinmarket" ; that'll create a local copy
10:11 <@waxwing> then use editor of your choice etc. you might want to look at issues filtered with the tag "help wanted" on github for things that need doing
10:12 <@waxwing> wrt git it has a learning curve but there are tons of tutorial materials on the net
10:15 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] i found gitready.com helpful
10:15 < tergi> ok, thanks
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12:08 <@waxwing> added some more explanation here: https://github.com/AdamISZ/joinmarket-clientserver
12:08 <@waxwing> i have the sendpayment script working on regtest doing a schedule of multiple transactions OK
12:10 <@waxwing> after a bit more fixing up, i'll go back to the electrum plugin, the changes there should be fairly minimal from what was working last week
12:10 <@waxwing> although still a lot to do, for sure
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12:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] lately getting this quite often (possibly every 2-3 days) when using wallet-tool or restarting the YG (not always 1700, but always way above 1500): [MainThread  ] [INFO ]  importing 1700 addresses into account joinmarket-wallet
12:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] there wasnt much activity, maye 5 successful and 5 unsuccessful CJs on the YG
12:37 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] is that normal or should i investigate?
12:37 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] ping waxwing
13:10 < JM-IRCRelay> [waxwing] ah he's gone.
13:10 < JM-IRCRelay> [waxwing] answer is, yes it's normal, use --fast as per release notes
14:53 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] AlexCato for your last question, id recommend using --fast
14:53 < JM-IRCRelay> [belcher] python wallet-tool.py --fast wallet.json
14:53 < JM-IRCRelay> [waxwing] that's what i said :)
14:54 <@waxwing> hmm, i was sure i saw your nick, maybe some connection problem
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15:00 < belcher> yep but he came back in
15:01 <@waxwing> ah ofc, i forgot, he couldn';t see it :)
15:01 < fqtw> hey, does joinmarket work on windows?
15:07 < belcher> yes     
15:08 < belcher> although i tried before libsecp256k1 was required, but i hear its totally possible to install it
15:11 < fqtw> belcher: so i just need python and libsecp256k1 ?
15:12 < belcher> and libsodium
15:12 < belcher> theres a wiki page on installing on windows https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Installing-JoinMarket-on-Windows
15:13 < fqtw> thanks
15:13 < fqtw> belcher: is joinmarket better than helix?
15:13 < belcher> depends
15:14 < belcher> its harder to use thats right now for sure, but on the upside theres no trusted central party who can spy on you or steal your coins
15:14 < belcher> there still might someone who can spy on you if an attack is discovered
15:14 < fqtw> and what about the comparison of the level of privacy assuming the central party in helix doesn't spy?
15:18 < tergi> i run on windows and its working good
15:18 < belcher> i dont really know
15:18 < belcher> if you're using helix make sure you avoid amount correlation, a lot of centralized mixers dont seem to make much effort to educate their uses about this last i looked
15:18 < fqtw> belcher: and how much are the fees on joinmarket?
15:18 < tergi> that last question is probably best left to independent study.
15:18 < belcher> heres a writeup on amount correlation https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2rhaqc/deanonimyzing_bitcoinfog_and_other_tumblers/
15:19 < belcher> most of the cost comes from miner fees, which is at least fixed and doesnt depend on the amount you mix
15:26 < fqtw> tergi: so you have to use joinmarket behind tor?
15:29 < belcher> that would stop the irc servers learning you real ip address
15:30 < belcher> id say far more important is to use joinmarket with a full node
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19:04 < tergi> fqtw: no, i don't use tor
19:32 < tergi> So, the password issue i was having with moving the wallet.json to debian was in fact a problem with getpass and windows
19:32 < tergi> you cannot paste a password into getpass within windows. it returns null apparently
20:18 < tergi> Does the built in yeild gen webserver only accept connections from local host?
20:19 < pigeons> maybe that's new, there wasnt a web server a while ago. the part for receiving walletnotify?
20:20 < tergi> Yes     
20:21 < tergi> I am trying to run the btc node on a different system from yield gen 
20:21 < tergi> after it opens the port im not able to telnet to it
20:21 < tergi> but can localhost
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22:27 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] about: AlexCato1: lately getting this quite often (possibly every 2-3 days) when using wallet-tool or restarting the YG (not always 1700, but always way above 1500): [MainThread  ] [INFO ]  importing 1700 addresses into account joinmarket-wallet
22:27 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] its not slow, its only taking a few seconds; i just find it odd that it imports so many addresses without much usage
22:31 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] @tergi: yes, JM only listens to localhost. Theres a pull request to change it here: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/pull/643
22:32 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] if you check what is being changed in there, you can just change the one line of code yourself
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