--- Day changed Fri Jan 06 2017 00:31 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: core, Taek, ratoder, Pilate, grubles, waxwing, owowo, midnightmagic, belcher, deafboy, (+29 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 00:34 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-euxyuxjomobthsex] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:35 -!- so [~so@unaffiliated/so] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:37 -!- iinaj [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-114-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- adlai [~adlai@80.244.243.194] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- zmachine [uid67411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gbpueiqczvyktglu] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- weex [sid152634@fsf/member/weex] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- nkuttler [~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@2604:a880:1:20::1d3:9001] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- dserrano5 [~9dsd9s9da@dserrano5.es] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-sutgtiqxmxirkvkc] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- phantomcircuit [~phantomci@192.241.205.97] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- pigeons [~pigeons@94.242.209.214] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- bad_duck [~arthur@area51.powaaa.com] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- juscamarena_ [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- dee-vee [~dv@root-core.org] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- OverlordQ [~ovrlrdq@199.101.100.58] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- deafboy [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- Rix [~rix@unaffiliated/rix] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- Pilate [~pilate@infoforcefeed/pilate] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- core [~core@unaffiliated/core] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- ratoder [~ratoder@static.111.19.201.138.clients.your-server.de] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- CoJaBo [~aztec@unaffiliated/cojabo] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- JM-IRCRelay [~RelayBot@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- buckowski [buckowski@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qyywcfhgncfdthsc] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- Taek [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- Aleph0 [~User@unaffiliated/amphetamine] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- goregrin1 [~goregrind@unaffiliated/goregrind] has joined #joinmarket 00:37 -!- q-biq [q-biq@unaffiiliated/q-biq] has joined #joinmarket 00:38 -!- iinaj [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 00:38 -!- iinaj [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-modtcdkkuafqadla] has joined #joinmarket 00:39 -!- rotarydialer [~rotarydia@unaffiliated/rotarydialer] has joined #joinmarket 00:39 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #joinmarket 00:41 -!- roasbeef [~root@104.131.26.124] has joined #joinmarket 00:41 -!- zmachine [uid67411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gbpueiqczvyktglu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:42 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-phahrsctibqawwii] has joined #joinmarket 00:53 -!- zmachine [uid67411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pakrwhuutwasyadb] has joined #joinmarket 01:17 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 01:31 -!- goregrin1 is now known as goregrind 01:31 -!- so [~so@unaffiliated/so] has joined #joinmarket 02:15 -!- adasdgdfg [53e42f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.228.47.51] has joined #joinmarket 02:27 -!- Giszmo [~leo@46.128.114.214.dynamic.cablesurf.de] has joined #joinmarket 02:46 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:35 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 03:45 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51 < waxwing> ok i did my best to give the guy an answer, see the above. it's kind of a nightmare scenario, assuming that i'm guessing right that it's the same cause as mrnice 05:25 -!- berndj [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has joined #joinmarket 06:59 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.12.110.149] has joined #joinmarket 06:59 < quitobro> morning all :) 07:01 < quitobro> mr. belcher - i tried to use sendpayment.py to take all my coins out of my wallet last night, but seems like the coins that are in 'internal' addresses, 'used' state were left behind... 07:01 < waxwing> quitobro: no that wouldn't happen; but were you using "sweep"? (amount=0) 07:02 < quitobro> yes i set amount = 0 07:02 < quitobro> also N=0 07:03 < waxwing> ok 07:03 < quitobro> i just got really concerned about having my coins in a hot wallet like you mentioned earlier in the day... 07:03 < waxwing> so you're saying there are still coins in the mixdepth that you chose (-m), after doing that transaction? 07:03 < waxwing> and the transaction pushed? is it confirmed? 07:03 < quitobro> correct. only in internal addresses 07:03 < quitobro> yep the bulk of my coins are back in cold storage/my HD wallet 07:03 < quitobro> HW* 07:03 < quitobro> hardware wallet 07:04 < waxwing> can you use the showutxos method of wallet-tool to see exactly what utxos are left behind in that wallet? 07:04 < quitobro> sure 07:05 < waxwing> i can't see any way/reason why amount=0 would leave any coins behind 07:05 < waxwing> let us know any info you can like (a) is it only one utxo (b) is it a small fraction or a big fraction (of the total in that mixdepth that you were trying to spend) 07:05 < quitobro> you want to see the output? 07:05 < waxwing> as reported, this is very strange behaviour, i've never seen a sweep fail to spend all the coins. 07:06 < waxwing> it can fail for various reasons i guess, but that kind of thing means fail to complete, not "fail to spend all of it" 07:06 < waxwing> i mean, it's almost logically impossible :) 07:07 < quitobro> can i safely copy/paste the utxo command output 07:07 < waxwing> ah no, there is a logical way it can happen i think: 07:08 < waxwing> quitobro: well not here, i wouldn't. you could pm me if you trust me, but probably isn't needed 07:08 < quitobro> i tried to sendpayment.py for each mix depth again 07:08 < quitobro> saying 'no utxos to spend' 07:08 < quitobro> but showutxos produces output 07:08 < waxwing> if you have a case where the sync failed to find all the coins, it would sweep with all the utxos it found. then later, when you run wallet-tool say, if somehow that sync succeeds in finding the extra coins, it might show up there. 07:09 < quitobro> with values at mixdepths 2,1,5,0 07:09 < quitobro> so how do i progress these coins to a usable part of my wallet? 07:09 < quitobro> it's a small fraction of the total i had at the maximum 07:09 < waxwing> what's in "index_cache" in your wallet.json (don't worry this info is not private) 07:11 < quitobro> @waxwing i pm'ed you 07:14 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 07:54 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.12.110.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:54 -!- adasdgdfg [53e42f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.228.47.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:56 -!- mnmnjhk [53e42f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.228.47.51] has joined #joinmarket 08:07 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] just looked at the last few lines, failing sweep. Maybe some UTXOs were unconfirmed from pending coinjoins? 08:07 < waxwing> yah i just got back. sorry we should have updated from pm, it was indeed unconfirmed coins. 08:08 < waxwing> i was in a rush else i would have reported earlier (not to waste people's time!) 08:08 < waxwing> good to see you alexcato :) 08:08 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] heh, no worries. Helps to keep thinking about potential errors to sharpen the mind :) 08:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] glad to be back. Even shook fluffypony's hand and talked to him briefly, really nice guy. Same thing for bitsquares lead dev, you seem to have helped him a lot in the beginning, waxwing (he still remembers and is very grateful!) 08:09 -!- Alpherius [d06cd425@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.108.212.37] has joined #joinmarket 08:19 -!- Alpherius [d06cd425@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.108.212.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:36 -!- buckowski [buckowski@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qyywcfhgncfdthsc] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:39 -!- buckowski [buckowski@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vbqnkjcwgzyzfezc] has joined #joinmarket 08:49 -!- zxzxzxz [4f7c12da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.124.18.218] has joined #joinmarket 09:09 < pigeons> where were you, ccc? 09:23 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@93-38-243-180.ip73.fastwebnet.it] has joined #joinmarket 09:23 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@93-38-243-180.ip73.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 09:57 < waxwing> yes he was iirc (+ what he said :) ) 09:58 < waxwing> altho' didn't know manfred was there, cool 09:58 < waxwing> if i was slightly more organized i would have considered going :) 09:59 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] didnt know that either, just started using bitsquare a few months earlier. Was quite refreshing to see that all the problems which i've come up with in the current bitsquare model, manfred already thought about as well 10:01 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] might do a mini-presentatio of the idea behind & how to use joinmarket at next year's ccc 10:02 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.12.110.149] has joined #joinmarket 10:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] and meh, have a TX stuck out of my jm wallet for 12 hrs now, obv. the fee selected by me was too optimistic. Happy to wait it out if it's too complicated, though maybe it's easy: how could easily i double-spend it with a higher fee? Is there any easy to use solution for that? 10:06 < owowo> I welcome you to the line, enjoy the time ;) 10:12 < owowo> https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet <-- try this 10:18 < quitobro> hey guys - anyone had transactions get 'stuck' in an orphan block? 10:19 < owowo> is it still in the mempool? 10:19 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] probably just need to re-sync/rescan with your wallet. At least that should fix that problem in Armory or Breadwallet. Guess other wallet implementations should have something similar 10:20 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] this is about the joinmarket wallet though i assume? There, I don't know. 10:23 < owowo> mine is from electrum. 10:37 < quitobro> yea in the joinmarket wallet. i have some utxos that aren't confirmed in various mixdepths 10:37 < quitobro> and i can't get them out 10:38 < waxwing> what's the fee/kB? 10:39 < quitobro> abs fee for the transaction is 0.00028470 10:39 < waxwing> only per kB matters. 10:40 < quitobro> so i'll run wallet-tool showutxos 10:40 < quitobro> grab the tx id 10:40 < quitobro> and check it out in block explorer 10:43 < quitobro> @waxwing .000000299 10:44 < waxwing> size in bytes? 10:44 < waxwing> or kB 10:49 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49 < quitobro> that's in btc/byte 10:49 < waxwing> ok so 30 satoshis per byte? 10:50 < waxwing> (it's much easier to use satoshis due to all the decimal places) 10:51 < waxwing> if so that is low but far from disastrously so; you can see at https://bitcoinfees.github.io/#3h we have a recent spike in demand and that's low, but it should confirm after N hours, if it's been > 12 hrs that's very unusual but not unheard of 10:51 < waxwing> sorry just vague comments, but i wanted to know if it was just "low" or insanely low 10:51 < waxwing> as for "stuck in an orphan block", no that's not how it works unless there's some hard fork disaster 10:52 < waxwing> other people, do feel free to offer comments on stuff like this! 10:52 < quitobro> waxwing - probably a bad idea to just share the blockr link to the tx with you right? 10:53 < waxwing> there's no point. 10:53 < waxwing> you can ask about this kind of thing in #bitcoin btw 10:53 < waxwing> it's not really anything to do with JM 10:54 < quitobro> cool thanks 10:54 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.12.110.149] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/session] has joined #joinmarket 10:57 < quitobro> @waxwing so in order to get the rest of my coin balance out via sendpayment.py i just need to wait for these utxos to get confirmed? 11:06 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/session] has quit [Changing host] 11:06 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.12.110.149] has joined #joinmarket 11:16 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 11:22 -!- wump [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has joined #joinmarket 11:22 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: wumpus, so 11:22 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 11:59 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] found another way: you can also enter the TX id here, it will then be included in Viabtc's next block: https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/ 11:59 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] worked nicely for me 11:59 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] and yes, you'll need to wait until they confirm 12:29 < owowo> wow! I try! thx! 12:31 < owowo> hmmm, my fee is lower that min tx fee of that,.. lol 12:31 < quitobro> you guys are able to use Bitcoin Unlimited for lower fees, is that what's going on? 12:33 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] the mining fees are unrelated to whether you use bitcoin core/unlimited or whatever. The miners decide which transactions they include just depending on their own policy, usually just higher fees=more likely to be included. 12:33 < owowo> what make me mad is 1000B is not 1MB!!! 12:33 < owowo> *kB 12:33 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] (its not even 1 KB !) :) 12:34 < owowo> there I skipped three zeros again... 12:34 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] whats mad about it? Limit is 1 MB as far as I know, as in 1024 kB 12:36 < owowo> the blocksize is 1000 kB, that's not 1MB 12:37 < owowo> blocksize cap, I read it somewhere in the code. 12:37 < owowo> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC <-- and if u check this, the max blocksize that is mined is 1000kB 12:38 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] alright, i've not looked into the code, but I was sure i had seen 1.0 MB once for a f2pool block at blocktrail.com . Maybe they're rounding under certain circumstances 12:42 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] looks like i remember incorrectly. Cant find any signs of that memory / block being exactly 1 MB. 12:43 < owowo> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability_FAQ#What_is_the_short_history_of_the_block_size_limit.3F <-- if that's still accurate 12:45 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] it wasnt changed since satoshi introduced it, so it still will be accurate 12:45 < owowo> and 1 000 000 Byte is not 1MB!!! ;) 12:50 -!- Giszmo [~leo@46.128.114.214.dynamic.cablesurf.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06 < owowo> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC <-- also, that kB figure is just pure cybercyber crap 13:06 < owowo> https://blockexplorer.com/ <-- is right 13:12 < sturles> 1 MB is 1 000 000 bytes. 1 MiB is 1024 * 1024 bytes. 13:13 < sturles> 1 KiB = 1024 bytes. 13:13 < owowo> is this an ISO norm or something? 13:13 < sturles> SI, I think. 13:14 < owowo> but if MB=Megabyte and MiB=Megabyte, that's kind of confusing. 13:17 < sturles> I think MiB is supposed to be pronounced "mibibyte", but I never got used to that. 13:20 < owowo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte <-- yes 13:21 < owowo> and here the confusion begins 13:21 < owowo> "Many operating systems compute file size in mebibytes, but report the number as MB. For example, all versions of the Microsoft Windows operating system show a file of 220 bytes as "1.00 MB" or "1,024 KB" in its file properties dialog and show a file of 106 (1000000) bytes as 976 KB." 13:42 < owowo> https://chainquery.com/bitcoin-api/abandontransaction <-- if u skip some 0 :) 13:49 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-phahrsctibqawwii] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:06 < owowo> "abandontransaction" does not work if tx in mempool. 14:16 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 14:20 < midnightmagic> SI was irritated we repurposes the prefixes to mean something else and co-opted our concepts and stuffed them into new names. 14:21 < midnightmagic> .. that had nothing to do with the architectures that current run the world. 14:21 < midnightmagic> lol 14:28 < owowo> I remember to have learned this crap, like 15 years ago, but I forgot. I always calculated with 1024, because the computer knows no _2_!!!1!!!!0! 14:30 -!- juscamarena_ [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31 -!- ragatanga [badc420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.220.66.10] has joined #joinmarket 14:31 < ragatanga> hello 14:32 < ragatanga> does anyone know where I can find a tutorial to use the software? 14:34 < owowo> https://github.com/joinmarket-org/joinmarket/wiki 14:43 -!- deafboy [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:02 -!- quitobro [640c6e95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.12.110.149] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03 -!- deafboy [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has joined #joinmarket 16:03 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-93-104-180-82.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:18 -!- ragatanga [badc420a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.220.66.10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:53 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfjscqeglycdzyon] has joined #joinmarket 18:19 -!- Giszmo1 [~leo@ppp-93-104-165-9.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:21 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-93-104-180-82.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:40 -!- deafboy [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:46 -!- deafboy [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has joined #joinmarket 21:57 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-93-104-165-252.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #joinmarket 21:59 -!- Giszmo1 [~leo@ppp-93-104-165-9.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:36 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-93-104-165-252.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]