--- Day changed Thu Jan 19 2017 00:54 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 01:11 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@14.174.32.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@193.138.219.236] has joined #joinmarket 02:33 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: arubi 02:35 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 02:36 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 03:34 < waxwing> weird i seem to be banned from #bitcoin 03:47 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 05:14 -!- pal [33ebbe53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.51.235.190.83] has joined #joinmarket 05:14 -!- pal is now known as Guest5578 05:17 -!- Guest5578 [33ebbe53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.51.235.190.83] has left #joinmarket [] 05:25 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:41 -!- aidan_ [~aidan@92.235.51.236] has joined #joinmarket 06:16 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 06:23 < grubles> waxwing, really? 06:25 < grubles> waxwing, join #bitcoin-bans 06:27 -!- aidan_ [~aidan@92.235.51.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:41 < grubles> podle why won't you verify already!!!! 07:40 -!- stachrom [55c3ffee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.195.255.238] has joined #joinmarket 07:44 < stachrom> question: I am running a joinmarket 0.2.2 yg-pe.py - since about a week there are no successfull joins. They end in: Counterparty commitment not accepted, reason: verify_podle failed. 07:45 < stachrom> how do i fix this?  07:49 < stachrom> do i have to create new utxos as a maker?  07:50 < waxwing> stachrom: how many do you see? 07:50 < waxwing> no you don't have to do anything 07:50 < waxwing> well, there's nothing you can do. 07:51 < stachrom> in the beginning there are 13 successfull joins - 07:51 < waxwing> hmm, well, you could just delete your blacklist file, or increase the value of utxo_taker_retries. probably the former is better, but the real question is, is this a phenomenon being seen generally by all makers? how many failures are you seeing? 07:51 < stachrom> i see about 8 atemps and all are ending in: 07:51 < stachrom> Counterparty commitment not accepted, reason: verify_podle failed 2017-01-19 15:19:50,080 [MCThread ] [INFO ] error : Authorisation failed 2017-01-19 15:19:50,080 [MCThread ] [DEBUG] >>privmsg on CgAn: nick=J5834Za6WMznMw2D cmd=error msg=Authorisation failed 07:51 -!- CoJaBo_ is now known as CoJaBo 07:52 < waxwing> would appreciate data from other people to gauge it. 07:52 < waxwing> because i'm on holiday at the moment i'm not running so i don't see it 07:53 < waxwing> if anyone wants to code 'random under a maximum' for fee chooser that'd be appreciated. it's another thing i've thought for some time that could help to deal with the duplicate bots if, as i suspect, they are all blocking transactions. 07:54 < waxwing> certainly the first large set of them were doing that, hence the minimum_makers update, which seemed to be enough for a while. 07:54 < waxwing> of course the real solution is to prevent duplication, but it continues to be a hard problem, would love to hear any update belcher_ adlai if you have any. 07:55 < stachrom> my joinmarket config is the default one. 07:56 < waxwing> yes stachrom that's fine, i understand that what i'm saying may not be very clear, it's more directed at the other people whove been thinking about this stuff. 08:00 < stachrom> i got that - it was more as a additional info. - thanks anyway, waxwing and enjoy your holliday .-)  08:15 -!- stachrom [55c3ffee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.195.255.238] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:47 < weex> i was thinking it would be nice to know a little more about why joins might fail, i ran yg for a while but only had a few joins. then i ran a tumble and that got like 80% done. 08:47 < weex> since it's complicated the text that gets printed out can give a little more context, walk the user through their issues 08:48 < weex> not making a diff myself yet because I don't understand but will try to visualize the flow as i understand it more 08:48 < waxwing> note the commitments_debug.txt as per sample in sourcing-commitments-for-joins page. it's only one failure vector, but the trickiest one (and most important as per above discussion). 08:53 < weex> i looked at https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/pull/679 last night which fails a test but I don't know enough about PBKCS7 (sic) to know why that would fail, doesn't seem like any related code was touched 08:55 < waxwing> pkcs7 yeah, that;s a likely place for that to fail. i can't help feeling that a feature like that is really low priority, there are so many really critical issues to address. 08:57 < weex> maybe tag it low priority and let me know when other PRs you'd like testing on 08:58 < weex> i love that there are so many but it's daunting as well 08:58 < waxwing> weex: ok good point. i didn't want to say "this really isn't important enough" but i should have. 08:58 < waxwing> i mean, it can be done, but i have no time to address everyone adding small extra features. it's not like i have an objection to anyone else doing it! 08:59 < weex> or really just tag the high priority ones with "priority" or something 08:59 < weex> that'll make easier to clear out the critical path stuff 09:00 < waxwing> 662 would be good to test i think 09:25 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 09:42 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@193.138.219.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:41 -!- EIC [~milo@213.152.161.181] has joined #joinmarket 10:59 < belcher_> iv been down will illness the last few days so havent been responding to any highlights 11:52 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:53 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has joined #joinmarket 12:08 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:744c:2ba:7da8:6dea] has joined #joinmarket 12:22 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 12:34 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:744c:2ba:7da8:6dea] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:35 -!- cbits [~cbits@139.182.205.184] has joined #joinmarket 12:45 -!- stachrom_ [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has joined #joinmarket 12:45 -!- stachrom_ [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has quit [Client Quit] 12:52 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has joined #joinmarket 12:56 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Changing host] 12:56 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 13:04 -!- waxwing [waxwing@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-gpqbpaytoltecraz] has joined #joinmarket 13:25 -!- cbits [~cbits@139.182.205.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36 -!- ceramic [bbaf121e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.175.18.30] has joined #joinmarket 13:46 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:612c:fd5:9e8d:60df] has joined #joinmarket 13:47 < ceramic> Where can I go to see live orders? 13:57 -!- ceramic [bbaf121e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.175.18.30] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:13 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:35 < weex> https://joinmarket.me/ob/ though it's showing a cert expired yesterday error 14:47 -!- waxwing [waxwing@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-gpqbpaytoltecraz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:42 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:612c:fd5:9e8d:60df] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii@unaffiliated/yohkii] has joined #joinmarket 15:47 -!- hepa [5999b126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.153.177.38] has joined #joinmarket 15:57 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii@unaffiliated/yohkii] has quit [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com] 16:09 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:30f7:e646:9f7a:e465] has joined #joinmarket 16:09 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:57 -!- hepa [5999b126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.153.177.38] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 17:38 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:30f7:e646:9f7a:e465] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:05 -!- cbits [~cbits@71-9-92-76.static.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #joinmarket 18:53 -!- waxwing [waxwing@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-folodrkoamyhzewx] has joined #joinmarket 19:04 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:07 < waxwing> i updated the cert yesterday and checked it was updated, also just checked now 19:10 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:11 < waxwing> ob page is back up. as for original question, you can see live orders either by visiting the irc channel or, more conveniently, use the ob-watcher script. 19:22 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #joinmarket 20:03 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined #joinmarket 20:55 -!- cbits [~cbits@71-9-92-76.static.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14 < weex> still getting the same message, i know it's a hassle but what's weird is the cert from Let's Encrypt expires after only 3 months? Just installed one today from there so will now check that out 22:15 < weex> and there it is, expires in 90 days :( 22:36 -!- cbits_ [~cbits@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 22:42 < waxwing> yes weex they're 90 days 22:42 < waxwing> if you still get a cert error for joinmarket.me i wonder if ctrl-f5 helps 22:43 < waxwing> once you've got it set up, certbot-auto renew is quite painless 22:43 < waxwing> or something like that 22:43 -!- cbits [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 22:43 < weex> it's just cmd-R on osx but still get it 22:43 < weex> i don't get an error for http://joinmarket.me but not ssl then 22:44 < weex> i'll look into the certbot, if it works for you ignore me, maybe something local 22:45 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:45 < waxwing> ah hang on you're right 22:45 < waxwing> something weird going on, i believe i just forgot to restart nginx 22:45 < waxwing> but what i mean by weird is, for some reason my firefox recognizes it as out of date, but still shows it as green 22:46 < weex> one thing i like about firefox is that you can tell it some certs are ok 22:46 < weex> google complains forever about self-signed 22:46 < weex> i guess unless you import the cert chain locally 22:46 < waxwing> yeah even firefox gets strict in some circs, but not as strict as chrome 22:48 -!- cbits_ [~cbits@47.148.176.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:48 < waxwing> ok restarted, cert expires 18-4 now 22:48 < waxwing> thanks, otherwise i wouldnt have noticed :) 22:49 < weex> nice, wow lots more orders now 22:50 < weex> i want to try the local observer but just getting setup in a test environment first 22:50 < weex> is there a way to have wallet-tool.py create the config and quit? 22:51 < waxwing> you could do generate i think 22:51 < waxwing> iirc it'll always generate the default if not present, no matter what mode you use for wallet-tool 22:51 < weex> i have this vagrant setup to create an environment with bitcoind config'd for testnet and a couple rein things, it would be neat if I could autoconfig the connection from jm to bitcoind 22:51 < waxwing> if you're testing, have you considered just doing regtest? 22:52 < waxwing> testnet is a pain a lot of the time 22:52 < weex> ok will try 22:52 < waxwing> see the Testing page on the wiki, and perhaps more to the point. the travis.yml 22:52 < waxwing> the latter should give a good indication of how to set up a joinmarket environment for testing with bitcoind 23:02 < weex> that should be using the develop branch right? 23:03 < waxwing> sure, we use develop as latest, and only merge to master for release. 23:14 < weex> re: Finding more sophisticated tests that don't require "real" blockchain access is an open question 23:14 < weex> has mock been considered for this sort of thing? it's best used where slow or cumbersome outside services need to be called 23:14 < weex> building a vagrant now with the regtest setup 23:14 < waxwing> yes, if you're talking about testing blockchaininterface implementations, i think you're right 23:15 < waxwing> it's not exactly easy though? also if an api changes the test wouldn't pick it up right. 23:15 < weex> true, no substitute for live testing 23:15 < weex> so when regtest is run, bitcoind doesn't need to be sync'd up fully? 23:16 < waxwing> no no need for sync at all 23:17 < waxwing> in the travis setup i download bitcoind from the ppa and then just configure and run with -regtest 23:17 < waxwing> i think there are some details on the wiki page 23:17 < weex> fair enough 23:20 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has joined #joinmarket 23:20 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:20 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 23:23 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 23:26 -!- Burgues [badcf56a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.220.245.106] has joined #joinmarket 23:31 -!- Burgues [badcf56a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.220.245.106] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:45 -!- Rix_ [~rix@bnc.vps.bg] has joined #joinmarket 23:46 -!- emzy_ [~quassel@raspberry.emzy.de] has joined #joinmarket 23:47 -!- deafboy_ [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has joined #joinmarket 23:48 -!- malte- [tbHuujUnsO@alkaid.uberspace.de] has joined #joinmarket 23:51 -!- Rix [~rix@unaffiliated/rix] has quit [Quit: no one lives forever] 23:51 -!- emzy [~quassel@raspberry.emzy.de] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 23:51 -!- deafboy [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 23:51 -!- malte [XBDLWLpatP@alkaid.uberspace.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:51 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:51 -!- Rix_ is now known as Rix 23:51 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 23:52 -!- Rix is now known as Guest38836 23:57 < weex> progress so far on automatically setting this test environment up: https://github.com/weex/devsetup/blob/joinmarket/Vagrantfile#L124