--- Day changed Thu Feb 09 2017 00:48 -!- DeathShadow--666 [~IDSE@S0106a84e3f595813.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:48 -!- DeathShadow--666 [~IDSE@S0106a84e3f595813.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #joinmarket 01:14 -!- DeathShadow--666 [~IDSE@S0106a84e3f595813.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:14 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15 -!- DeathShadow--666 [~IDSE@S0106a84e3f595813.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #joinmarket 01:18 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has joined #joinmarket 01:18 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has quit [Changing host] 01:18 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 01:19 -!- q-biq [q-biq@unaffiiliated/q-biq] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:50 -!- stachrom [55c3ffee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.195.255.238] has joined #joinmarket 02:41 < waxwing> https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/5szb57/bots_with_large_numbers_of_offers_or_overlapping/ 02:43 < waxwing> cross linked to bitcointalk 02:43 < waxwing> it's not as if it's some huge action right now, but need to announce it anyway. 02:44 < waxwing> also i forgot, may be worth suggesting to use cgan only, except unless there is something better than a crappy manual kick from time to time, it might not be worth discussing. 02:44 < waxwing> anyway any disagreement or commentary would be welcome on that thread 03:35 -!- q-biq [~mirkk@153.92.126.244] has joined #joinmarket 03:35 -!- q-biq [~mirkk@153.92.126.244] has quit [Changing host] 03:35 -!- q-biq [~mirkk@unaffiiliated/q-biq] has joined #joinmarket 05:06 < waxwing> https://medium.com/@laurentmt/introducing-boltzmann-85930984a159#.3b014gts2 05:22 -!- Tergi [4a4aed8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.74.237.141] has joined #joinmarket 05:24 < Tergi> Hey all. Hopefully quick question. Decided to load windows 10 linux subsystem, installed all the needed to run joinmarket there. running windows core node as i have always (same one didnt change). 05:24 < Tergi> recovered my wallet seed on win10 linux implementation, it regen the wallet and starts adding some new addresses in. 05:25 < Tergi> finally displayed the balances, and it was short about .1 btc, so i did the gap 50 parameter 05:25 < Tergi> now its stuck in a loop of adding 240 addresses, then it exits says to rescan and next run it does the same again 05:26 < waxwing> Tergi: consider increasing this to 50: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/master/joinmarket/blockchaininterface.py#L677 05:27 < waxwing> it may help, can't be sure. 05:29 < waxwing> you shouldn't need to rescan after doing it first time (if same Core instance, you shouldn't need to rescan at all) 05:30 < Tergi> thats kinda what i figured, its just the default message that comes up, i did it anyway since i was going to bed for the night and it could just do its thing 05:30 < Tergi> now its adding 900 addresses 05:30 < waxwing> btw it's a good idea to keep the wallet.json file to avoid such problems, as it contains the index_cache (the information about the last used addresses) 05:31 < waxwing> if you recover it's harder because the code has to "find" those indexes 05:31 < waxwing> i mean, it depends how heavily used the wallet is of course 05:31 < Tergi> i still have the file, but i felt lazy :) 05:31 < Tergi> its a maker wallet 05:31 < Tergi> been running on and off for long time now 05:31 < waxwing> and once it's all found, you can use --fast from then on to make the syncing faster 05:31 < Tergi> http://pastebin.com/CyQXpa2A here is console output with debug on 05:32 < waxwing> if it's from before the 0.2 update you probably have a huge wallet, it's a pain 05:32 < waxwing> i consolidated mine after that fix 05:32 < Tergi> does it just need to keep running and adding addresses until it sorts it all out or is it just looping doing nothing? 05:32 < Tergi> its a 0.2.2 wallet. i stated right when it was release 05:33 < waxwing> it all depends on your wallet i guess. if you have huge gaps (which you may if it's from before the anti-snooping fix) then somehow you have to convince it to go forwards far enough 05:33 < waxwing> oh ok, well i don't know then, in that case it's unlikely (i hope) that you have huge gaps 05:33 < waxwing> if you see "too few addresses" keep trying, and check if the index numbers are increasing. they should be. 05:33 < Tergi> Not sure how to tell really. i know there have been times i have started it up and it loaded large number of addresses 05:35 < Tergi> is the line it puts out about too few addresses the line that shows the index? is that the blob of numbers? 05:35 < waxwing> yes 05:36 < Tergi> oh there we go 05:36 < Tergi> looks like running it with the change to 50, allowed it to do whatever it had to do 05:36 < Tergi> next run after that gave me output i expected 05:37 < waxwing> i think it would have worked with 20, just takes more runs. quite annoying. 05:37 < Tergi> yes. about 8 more runs probably 05:37 < waxwing> the 'recover wallet' case is the one where it's annoying, generally; from now on you can use --fast and it should be reliable 05:39 < Tergi> ok. I am glad it runs on the windows 10 linux sub system it lets me finally delete this Virtual machine :) 05:40 < waxwing> sounds cool. i think :) know nothing about it apart from what i can glean from the name. 05:40 < Tergi> Just a quick run down, its in the anniversary update for windows 10, beta. they created a linux install based off ubuntu. You set it up and it creates a sudo virtual linux environment 05:41 < Tergi> runs right in a command prompt like window with bash 05:41 < Tergi> seems like it runs most anything 05:41 < Tergi> you can even apparently install x and get gui apps running. not sure how far you can push it but for command line stuff it seems really good 05:41 < Tergi> even when you have to compile code. 05:42 < Tergi> pretty much like having ubuntu inside windows 05:43 < Tergi> beats having to try and run it in windows with the windows directions, i think its a little easier 05:45 < Tergi> just have to check yeild gen and see that the callbacks work 05:49 < Tergi> i bet i could run bitcoind on the subsystem also if i wanted and then just have it all contained. should stop those little popups from the notifications when the qt sees a transaction confirm 05:50 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] AdamISZ closed pull request #706: avoid re-importing already imported addesses to bitcoind (develop...develop) https://git.io/vD4KS 06:18 -!- nightcity [5999b126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.153.177.38] has joined #joinmarket 06:27 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:29 < Tergi> well, good news the notifcations back to maker work :) 06:48 -!- pigeons [~pigeons@94.242.209.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:58 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-69-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 07:11 < waxwing> they came back in an hour or two today. may kick again after some time but, shrug, it's mostly pointless. (pls see 'announcement' in scrollback from earlier) 07:15 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.25] has joined #joinmarket 07:15 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-69-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15 < MaxSan> Moin 07:18 -!- pigeons [~pigeons@94.242.209.214] has joined #joinmarket 07:18 -!- pigeons is now known as Guest98910 07:19 < MaxSan> If you use patientsend and already have coins at a specific depth.. will it just send out those coins? 07:19 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 07:20 < waxwing> MaxSan: the idea is to act as a maker for a while to your destination, and then switch to taker if you don't get particpation 07:20 < waxwing> but i'm a little woolly on the details, i wasn't involved in coding it, let me take a quick look 07:23 < waxwing> MaxSan: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/develop/patientsendpayment.py#L262-L271 07:23 -!- Guest98910 is now known as pigeons 07:23 < waxwing> note that it was updated recently, only in develop branch. what is in master branch either doesn't work or doesn't work properly, so use develop. 07:25 < MaxSan> judging by the desc it works a bit differently than what I was thinking but its fine :) 07:30 < waxwing> out of interest what were you thinking of? 07:41 < MaxSan> patientsend times out eventually and just sends... i suppose i could remove the timeout completely? 07:41 < MaxSan> to make it as a one way market maker that just cuts out when finished? 07:45 < nightcity> Hello guys, first time using joinmarket with a full node. 07:46 < nightcity> i am running the yield generator, and can only make one make order 07:47 < nightcity> but i see at least 2 guys with lots of orders. How can i do that? Do you earn more money that way? 07:48 < MaxSan> i think its automatic 07:49 < nightcity> i read somewhere on reddit or github that i need to make more than one wallet? 07:50 < nightcity> i only generated one wallet and sent some coin to mixdept 0 07:50 < nightcity> now i am waiting for some joins. 07:52 < nightcity> if i save the seed and have a good password on the join wallet, is it safe to send all my coins there? 07:52 < MaxSan> as safe as the device is you are running from.. 07:53 < MaxSan> theoretically possible for someone to plant malware on your computer and read the keys from memory 07:53 < nightcity> i have some in a paper wallet, but it would be good to earn a little bit more 07:54 < nightcity> i use lubuntu in an old netbook, its my only computer :( 07:54 < MaxSan> I cant audit your security practices am afraid 07:55 < Tergi> you would need to remove them from paper wallet cold storage and put them in the hot wallet for joinmarket 07:55 < Tergi> there is always some risk. 07:55 < nightcity> yes, i understand.... 07:55 < Tergi> you need to decide what you are comfortable with 07:56 < Tergi> I have run mine on my windows PC in a VM running debian for the last 6-9 months and no issues 07:56 < Tergi> but i take serious security precautions. Complex passwords i cannot even remember and encrypt the vm disk etc 07:57 < nightcity> the risk is on my side, or there is a possibility that the code has some bug that can let someone steal my coins without acessing my computer? 07:57 < nightcity> i know that this program is still in development... 07:57 < Tergi> Well there is always risk of bugs not just from joinmarket software but from your operating system 07:58 < MaxSan> I would say risk of accessing your coins is very unlikely, its still bitcoin at the end of the day 07:58 < Tergi> as above mentioned any malware on your computer could intercept password for your wallet and transfer it away or remotely dump private keys and steal them 07:58 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58 < Tergi> would be very targeted attack though 07:58 < nightcity> i use keepass to manage my passwords and have the seed saved in a pendrive and paper.... 07:59 < MaxSan> can i have your address, phone number and times when your not at home also please? ;) 07:59 < Tergi> the earnings on your coins will be pretty small probably 07:59 < Tergi> market is pretty competitive it seems 08:01 < nightcity> even if i gave you my address and you find the paper or pendrive with the wallet or seed, you would still need to know the password correct? 08:02 < Tergi> not with the seed 08:02 < Tergi> seed is full recovery with only knowledge of the seed 08:02 < Tergi> if you recover from seed you have to choose a new password for the wallet 08:03 < nightcity> oh thanks, i was only used to backup the wallet.dat of bitcoin core, didnt new about that. 08:03 < Tergi> never hurts to have both :) 08:05 < nightcity> i think i will destroy the paper, and put the seed on keepass. i have a long and strong password that i can remember for that... 08:05 < Tergi> My personal opinion is that its pretty safe as long as you are not doing anything crazy. 08:06 < Tergi> there have been lots of people using this software now for quite a while and ive not heard of anyone loosing anything 08:06 < Tergi> not to bugs in the code. 08:06 < Tergi> you can start with a small amount and work your way up as your confidence grows 08:06 < nightcity> last week i think i saw someone with more than 200 btc in the orderbook 08:06 < Tergi> yea its possible 08:07 < Tergi> i only offer at most .5 08:07 < nightcity> i have around 0.4 to try it. 08:09 < Tergi> my fee is absolute at 500 satoshi per join. used to do 1000 but things got more competitive recently. 08:09 < Tergi> i think the default fee in the config is 200 08:13 < nightcity> there is this nick now in the order book J5AbGJGBQBYPbf5k with LOTS of deals at the same time..... 08:13 < nightcity> do you win more money that way? or is he trying to clean coins from illegal business 08:15 < MaxSan> its automatic 08:15 < MaxSan> pretty sure it i 08:15 < MaxSan> is 08:15 < Tergi> he has a custom yeild generator 08:15 < Tergi> yield generator. as far as waxwing says its probably not getting him any benefit 08:16 < nightcity> i am using yg-pe generator 08:16 < Tergi> i think to get benefits like that you would need to code your bot to use different nicks for each order so they all have a chance to get picked 08:17 < nightcity> so he opens one command line per order? 08:17 < Tergi> as far as i know there is no authentication to orders, they just get broadcast to the irc channel 08:18 < Tergi> you could probably make an order by hand if you knew all the details of the protocol 08:19 < nightcity> speaking of nicks, can you choose one? 08:19 < nightcity> *can i choose one? 08:19 < nightcity> or is it always random? 08:19 < Tergi> I think you can 08:20 < Tergi> but its not needed or really a good idea 08:20 < Tergi> just let it be random and then you increase your privacy 08:20 < Tergi> if you are curious which one you are currently you can look in your logs directory and see what the most recent log file is it will have the nick name in it 08:23 < nightcity> nice, i found it now. 08:24 < nightcity> is there any place where we can get different generators? or do i need to know how to program for that? 08:34 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #joinmarket 08:34 < stachrom> yes there is this special place on the internet - where you can get different generators ;-)  08:35 < stachrom> sec... 08:35 < stachrom> https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/5szb57/bots_with_large_numbers_of_offers_or_overlapping/ 08:36 < stachrom> ... If you want to use a highly customised bot that does something unusual, and you want to be a good citizen, feel free to discuss it on #joinmarket on freenode (or cgan). I for one would love to see people add code to the custom scripts repo. 08:39 < stachrom> --> custom scripts repo : https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/custom-scripts but its empty .... 08:43 < stachrom> its also mentioned in the wiki : https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Running-a-Yield-Generator#modifying-the-algorithm 08:43 < MaxSan> yg-randomizer isnt a standard one 08:43 < MaxSan> so its not empty? 08:43 < stachrom> ha - you are right.. 08:44 < stachrom> there is one!  08:44 < waxwing> Tergi: you can't choose your nick, no, it's verified against as a pubkey (a bit like onion hidden services) 08:45 < waxwing> you could fix it though, by setting a specific private key and persisting it 08:45 < waxwing> code doesnt do that atm 08:50 < stachrom> i am bit worried about the law - they are changing (or will soon do so) the money laundering law around europe - are there any lawyers around to keep an eye on that?  08:52 < MaxSan> also when running a yg.. doest it just stop at a specific depth? or keep just running indefinitely? 08:58 < nightcity> maxsan, i also have the same question, i have around 0.4. will it split between depths? i think that there is 5 normally? 08:59 < nightcity> i dont really understand the docs but in the long run, it will with about 0.08 in each mix depth in my case? 09:00 < waxwing> yes it splits over time, after a large number of txs you're likely to have about the same in each "depth" (better think of them as "pockets") 09:00 < waxwing> it's unfortunately necessary; if you used only 1 pocket it would destroy the privacy effect (for you and others) 09:01 < waxwing> it seems to be a common misconception that coins "move down the depths", that is only true for the -basic yg, and only for the first set of transactions; after a while it wraps around anyway. long term it just gets spread around 09:01 < MaxSan> ohhh I didnt know that 09:01 < MaxSan> I thought it did move down 09:01 < MaxSan> I havent had any joins in a long time 09:02 < MaxSan> I thought it was basically just running out 09:02 < MaxSan> of coins until max depth 09:02 < nightcity> i am reading more about dust now that i installed joinmarket. 09:02 < MaxSan> I have many misunderstandings heh 09:03 < nightcity> which should be the mininum fee that i should use to at least not loose money? 09:04 < nightcity> because i know that i need to pay more fees when using more smaller addresses to send btc to someone... 09:05 < waxwing> look into changing the merge algo (see notes in config). it'll make it so that you have a smaller number of larger value utxos over time. 09:05 < MaxSan> waxwing: what do you think of that yg-randomizer ? 09:05 < waxwing> even an ultra small fee doesn't necessarily mean you get dusty outputs. the two things aren't necessarily connected. 09:06 < waxwing> MaxSan: i use that one, i think it's slightly better for privacy than yg-pe. 09:06 < nightcity> i read that, but i think i need to lower my fees to use other merges because takers will not choose me if my coins have more inputs? 09:07 < nightcity> sorry if i am not explaining well... 09:07 < waxwing> imo using a 'greedy' algo should be OK, since after a few joins it should come back more to an equilibrium, but it's tricky. i wouldn't use the 'ultra-greedy' whatever it's called, might be a bit overkill. but this is all debatable. 09:08 < nightcity> ok thanks 09:08 < waxwing> honestly i don't think joinmarket really makes much sense for small amounts < 0.5BTC or something 09:08 < waxwing> with current btc fee market 09:08 < waxwing> i mean obviously you can do joins for 0.1 or 0.05 but it starts to get very expensive 09:09 < nightcity> i only have around 0.4 in my join wallet.... i am afraid to send my cold coins there..... 09:09 < waxwing> quite right too :) 09:10 < waxwing> i think it's OK. i've done tests with 0.02 or whatever, i just think takers are generally doing much higher numbers, because it's too expensive otherwise. 09:10 < MaxSan> so if your funding a yg do you want to send coins to many depths 09:10 < MaxSan> or many addresses in one depth 09:10 < MaxSan> or all into one address in one depth 09:11 < waxwing> MaxSan: i think there's a note on that in the wiki, send say to 3 addresses in 1 mixdepth (0) to start. not saying it's necessary, but it makes sense. 09:11 < nightcity> waxwing, do you think it is dangerous for those makers that have 200+ coins? 09:11 * waxwing should really go now 09:11 < waxwing> nightcity: maybe, hard to say 09:11 < waxwing> we seem to have a good record of not losing coins, but it's a hot wallet. plan accordingly. 09:12 < nightcity> and what about those people with alot of orders in the orderbook? 09:12 < waxwing> MaxSan: oh sorry i forgot, for yg it doesn't matter if you send to only 1 address. that's fine. 09:12 < waxwing> only for taker. 09:12 < waxwing> nightcity: i posted about it on reddit, it was linked above 09:12 < nightcity> i tried to read taker.py but i dont understand nothing :(. 09:13 < nightcity> can you explain in simple terms how a taker selects the makers, please? 09:13 < nightcity> i read reddit, but still had doubts.... 09:14 < MaxSan> ahh interesting tuff anyway 09:14 < MaxSan> am away to make some food nice chat folks 09:14 < nightcity> those users making that orders most have an objective... 09:15 < nightcity> see you 09:27 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-198-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 09:38 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:39 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-198-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:47 -!- stachrom [55c3ffee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.195.255.238] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:59 < waxwing> hmm seems like the spammy bot came and then went of its own volition today. shrug. 10:00 -!- MaxSan [~one@172.25.198.146.dyn.plus.net] has joined #joinmarket 10:14 -!- MaxSan [~one@172.25.198.146.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:41 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 12:21 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-106-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 12:22 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] interestingly, they seem to have read your message. its only lots of 20 orders spambots now, but still with overlapping orders 12:22 < waxwing> heh, i thought i saw that earlier, but yeah it's getting clearer now 12:23 < waxwing> PR welcome to just ban overlaps and 20+ (the latter better to be in the config) 12:24 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] i might have some free time on my hands this weekend :) 12:24 < waxwing> it's an easy change really. the main thing is the spam. there *might* be an edge case where there's some shaving of extra value from doing it, but all i remember is not seeing it when i looked 3-6 months ago 12:24 < waxwing> bit tricky to analyze though 12:25 < waxwing> i guess the behaviour fits an economic "attacker" who does indeed perceive that it gains them something, so probably worth doing more analysis 12:25 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] wonder why you think 20 is still acceptable though? I'd probably have set a cutoff at 3 or 5 12:25 < waxwing> well yeah, i guess i was influenced by the fact that in the old days we had quite a lot of bots doing 10+, i honestly don't mind. 12:31 < waxwing> waitingfortestnetconfirmation.skeleton.jpg 12:42 -!- Tergi [4a4aed8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.74.237.141] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:43 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-106-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46 < nightcity> i checked the order book and there is alot more orders then a few hours ago, what is the person or persons trying to do? 12:47 < nightcity> do they really earn more with alot more orders almost for the same fee and quantity? 12:48 < waxwing> people want to help me make being a Taker more usable are welcome to help on https://github.com/AdamISZ/joinmarket-clientserver 12:48 < waxwing> also please don't forget that blockr over Tor no longer works; making a better version of the electrum interface, or helping belcher work on SPV stuff would be useful 12:49 < nightcity> I have asked a couple hours ago, but did not get an answer, can someone explain me in very simple terms, how are the makers selected by the takers? 12:49 < nightcity> i tried to ready the file taker.py and others, but i dont understand programmig :( 12:50 < waxwing> nightcity: only one order is placed into consideration from each maker 12:50 < waxwing> then, an algorithm which weights by price, but is random, is used to choose N from that set, where N is how many counterparties the taker wants 12:50 < nightcity> so those people are doing nothing good, stupid.lol 12:51 < waxwing> that's the default; it's also possible to manually choose orders one by one, but few if any people do that 12:51 < waxwing> nightcity: in theory, yes. what's possible is there's some edge case that gives them a *small* advantage. i looked for this some time ago, but couldn't find it. 12:51 < waxwing> don't know if you read the backlog but we were discussing this just before you asked. 12:52 < nightcity> how do i read that? i am new to irc. 12:52 < waxwing> no worries, if you weren't here at the time you won't see it 12:53 < nightcity> i am on freenode and can only scroll back till the time i logged 12:53 < nightcity> oh i see 12:53 < nightcity> is there any backup somewhere that i can read? like the waybackmachine for irc or someone? 12:54 < nightcity> it may be a very stupid question.lol 12:54 < waxwing> some channels have it, not this one unfortunately 12:56 < nightcity> so they should be using different nicks for each offer to have an advantage i suppose... 12:57 < nightcity> couldnt it be someone that as 20 or more wallets and is using one script per wallet or something? 13:01 < nightcity> i have installed for more then one day now, i found the randomizer generator this afternoon that i am using now and i havent had any join 13:01 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-106-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 13:02 < nightcity> i only have a small amount in the wallet, so maybe that why... 13:12 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] there's just not much activity currently. Totally normal not to see many joins (or at all - sometimes there's several days without any)... especially in the 'lowish' amounts of coins theres not much to earn 13:13 < waxwing> yeah hence my "advertisement" above about improvements needed :) 13:21 < MaxSan> waxwing: what do you make of tumblebit? 13:21 < waxwing> i liked it enough to write this -> https://joinmarket.me/blog/blog/tumblebit-for-the-tumble-curious/ 13:22 < MaxSan> awesome! il take a read 13:22 < waxwing> if i had time i might play around with coding it or helping on it. well, maybe. i think it's cool. 13:22 < waxwing> it'll be really interesting to see if it takes off in some form or other. i'm really not sure. 13:48 < zxccxz> I ran yg with older version(file backup) of my wallet.json, like 50% of coins were missing, they show all with -g 3000 but seems yg still does not use those inputs that live in the future 13:50 < belcher> add -g 3000 to the arguments when you run yg 15:12 -!- Tergi [4a4aed8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.74.237.141] has joined #joinmarket 15:12 < Tergi> Quick question if anyone has a moment, I want to just sweep all funds out of my wallet.json and re consolidate everything. To see all funds in the wallet i have to do -g 50. 15:13 < belcher> sendpayment and similar scripts also accept -g 50 15:13 < belcher> they should do anyway.. just said that from memory 15:14 < Tergi> So would appropriate flags be -g 50 -n 0 -m 0 wallet.json 0 (increment m 0 to m 1 etc...) 15:14 < belcher> yeah 15:14 < belcher> though recommend you wait until sunday night and set fees as low as possible, with today's fee market :p 15:14 < MaxSan> heh 15:14 < MaxSan> things gone crazy today 15:15 < Tergi> True 15:15 < Tergi> I do not mind waiting if they take a while to go, its not critical 15:15 < belcher> even so iv gotten transactions of 2 sat/byte confirmed on sunday night when the 1 block confirm price was something like 90 sat/b at the time 15:16 < belcher> remember all those calculations are with 90% or 95% probability, so if you're willing to risk it you can get away with paying less 15:16 < belcher> thats the point of the fee market right? to convince us to use the block space more carefully (and to fund miners after inflation goes to zero) 15:17 < Tergi> nice 15:17 < Tergi> Yea 15:18 < belcher> also you could use patientsendpayment and get some taker to pay you a bit while you send 15:18 < belcher> theres a newer version in the develop branch.. although even so it cant do sweeps 15:32 < Tergi> yea. patient send is an interesting idea 17:35 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-106-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53 -!- HostFat__ [~HostFat@host135-243-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 18:55 -!- Tergi [4a4aed8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.74.237.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57 -!- HostFat_ [~HostFat@host79-9-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:44 -!- HostFat__ [~HostFat@host135-243-dynamic.37-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-114-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:06 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-114-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #joinmarket