--- Day changed Thu Feb 16 2017 00:28 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:29 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 00:53 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-165-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has left #joinmarket [] 03:20 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.35] has joined #joinmarket 04:02 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:37 -!- carbonprotect [5999b126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.153.177.38] has joined #joinmarket 05:05 -!- carbonprotect [5999b126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.153.177.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:10 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 05:26 -!- iufibf [5999b126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.153.177.38] has joined #joinmarket 05:33 -!- iufibf [5999b126@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.153.177.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:53 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.35] has joined #joinmarket --- Log closed Thu Feb 16 06:20:55 2017 --- Log opened Thu Feb 16 06:21:08 2017 06:21 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #joinmarket 06:21 -!- Irssi: #joinmarket: Total of 71 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 70 normal] 06:32 -!- Irssi: Join to #joinmarket was synced in 693 secs 07:17 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:17 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 08:42 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #joinmarket 09:48 -!- jimbob_ [3280b450@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.128.180.80] has joined #joinmarket 10:09 -!- jimbob_ [3280b450@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.128.180.80] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:12 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.35] has joined #joinmarket 11:06 < fluffypony> waxwing 11:06 < fluffypony> https://forum.z.cash/t/trying-to-clarify-something-i-said/14255 11:06 < fluffypony> we got it all wrong 11:06 < fluffypony> what Zooko was *trying* to say through his Meltem puppet was that Bitcoin Uncensored is merely *negotiating* 11:07 < fluffypony> and we should all just sit around a table and *negotiate* hard forks 11:07 < waxwing> you got your BUs mixed up :) 11:07 < fluffypony> *Unlimited 11:07 < fluffypony> lol 11:07 < fluffypony> thanks for catching that 11:08 < waxwing> "it is my full-time job to promote Zcash" 11:08 < fluffypony> his full time job should be to understand how zk-SNARKs work 11:09 < grubles> that's for other people to understand 11:09 < fluffypony> yes - "our scientists" this and "our scientists" that 11:09 < fluffypony> :-P 11:10 < grubles> maybe no one understands how they work 11:10 < grubles> and that is a good thing 11:10 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:10 < waxwing> maybe no one understands *if* they work :) 11:10 < waxwing> personally i don't understand whether anyone understands if they work. 11:11 < fluffypony> I don't understand how anyone can understand whether anyone understands if they workj 11:12 < waxwing> tbh i'm quite keen to spend some time reading more on it, at some point. it looks really interesting, and maybe not too far outside the scope of what i'm capable of digesting. but, we'll see :) 11:12 < fluffypony> zk-STARKs are a little more interesting because they lose the trusted setup 11:12 < fluffypony> still lots of moonmath tho 11:12 < waxwing> "still"? i'd guess it's even more, if it loses trusted setup? 11:13 < fluffypony> yeah even more so 11:13 < waxwing> i'm also quite interested by what chain posted yesterday in that blog, range proofs using ring signatures of PoDLEs, it's a mish-mash of things i've already read about. 11:14 < waxwing> the whole confidential assets thing is on the ever-growing pile of things i haven't read up on. 11:14 < fluffypony> yeah it's also in my list of "urgent, important, very urgent things to read" 11:14 < fluffypony> that will take me 3 months to get to 11:15 < waxwing> belcher: i took a quick look at that gist, i'm afraid i don't have the background to check it. 11:17 < gmaxwell> fluffypony: I thought what his clarification says is that you shouldn't negoiate hardforks. 11:18 < gmaxwell> That you should consider what your next best option is if negotiating fails, and you'll often find it doesn't suck that much, so then you're free to not agree. 11:18 < fluffypony> he spends a lot of time arguing for "a negotiated agreement" 11:19 < fluffypony> also I don't get his "best alternative" argument 11:19 < fluffypony> are people regularly offing themselves because there's no negotiated agreemenet? 11:20 < fluffypony> "Your best alternative to a negotiated agreement is actually pretty good! It's not the end of the world. It doesn't mean your life has no meaning." 11:21 < gmaxwell> my reading of it was that failure to realize that you can fail to negotiate is what resulted in things like that 'hk agreement' thing. 11:21 < gmaxwell> people somehow got convinced that they had to agree to something or DOOOM. 11:21 < waxwing> gmaxwell: maybe, but i don't think most people will read it like that. 11:21 < gmaxwell> but really, the best alternative is that people keep on discussing things. 11:22 < waxwing> i also note daira's comment is effectively saying 'i don't have an opinion on this two-sided argument', which isn't really helpful at all. imo. 11:28 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.181] has joined #joinmarket 12:28 -!- Buckyy [buckowski@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-thmaslyojvrwornz] has quit [Quit: ereet] 12:32 -!- buckowski [buckowski@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mfuoyengrkuhjnes] has joined #joinmarket 12:57 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 13:41 < MaxSan> not sure if anyone replied to me earlier >< 13:46 < MaxSan> seems like essentially 13:46 < MaxSan> every counterparty is running like 10 different join offers on the same utxos? 13:46 < MaxSan> is that right? 13:48 < waxwing> MaxSan: not literally, no, also https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/5szb57/bots_with_large_numbers_of_offers_or_overlapping/ 13:49 < waxwing> but didn't we discuss this before? 13:49 < waxwing> hmm there's a spam comment on that thread that just reads 'death from above'. 13:49 < waxwing> i'm sure most here get the reference... 13:50 * waxwing is off 14:00 < MaxSan> yeah that was what i was looking to read 15:50 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-31-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 16:07 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:07 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 16:24 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has joined #joinmarket 17:40 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 18:21 -!- Giszmo1 [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 18:24 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-31-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:33 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:36 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has joined #joinmarket 18:37 -!- HostFat__ [~HostFat@87.19.33.23] has joined #joinmarket 18:40 -!- HostFat_ [~HostFat@host127-247-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:59 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 19:00 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 19:06 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:33 -!- Giszmo1 [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:52 -!- deepbook5broo [~gk.1wm.su@2a03:4a80:2:2d4:2d4:e830:6db2:a7d4] has joined #joinmarket 19:52 -!- deepbook5broo [~gk.1wm.su@2a03:4a80:2:2d4:2d4:e830:6db2:a7d4] has left #joinmarket [] 22:20 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 22:21 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 22:30 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] 22:31 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 22:32 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Client Quit] 22:32 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 22:32 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:33 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 22:34 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Client Quit] 22:34 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 22:34 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Client Quit] 22:35 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 22:35 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Client Quit] 23:01 < gmaxwell> perhaps someone else would want to this person https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5uidkd/utxo_growth/ddun99c/?context=3