--- Day changed Mon Mar 06 2017 00:12 -!- chatter29 [2d20de2d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.32.222.45] has joined #joinmarket 00:13 < chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing 00:13 < chatter29> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger 00:26 -!- chatter29 [2d20de2d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.32.222.45] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 02:08 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:33 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 02:54 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:09 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has joined #joinmarket 03:46 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 03:51 -!- GK___1wm___SU [~257277@c4.79.39a9.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has joined #joinmarket 03:55 -!- GK___1wm___SU [~257277@c4.79.39a9.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:26 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:39 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 05:24 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:26 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:36 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube] has joined #joinmarket 06:20 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:31 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 06:33 < waxwing> windows exes added to the linux ones at https://github.com/AdamISZ/joinmarket-clientserver/releases/ if anyone wants to try it, would be appreciated 06:56 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:08 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 07:24 -!- jm-lover [5ef2de6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.242.222.110] has joined #joinmarket 07:24 < jm-lover> hello guys 07:25 < jm-lover> during the last 1-2 weeks I started having the same problem. my process srucks at this point: [TimeoutThrea] [INFO ] waiting for all replies.. timeout=45 07:26 < jm-lover> durng 45 seconds nothing happens and then "timeout thread woken by timeout, makers didnt respond" 07:26 < jm-lover> every time nonreposndent maker is different 07:26 < jm-lover> i tried to increase timout form 45 to 120 but it did not help 07:27 < jm-lover> i feel it is some netwok problem but I successfully get data abount my wallet and get makers offers but then I do not get their replies whn I alreadt chose makers for a coinjoin 07:27 < jm-lover> i tried updating DNS, different VPNs but no liuck 07:28 < jm-lover> u must say that I have been using it Jan-February without having this issue 07:40 < xcvvcx> cgan is disconnecting bots, so you don't get reply 07:44 < jm-lover> wgo is that cgan? can we ask him not to do it? ) 07:44 < jm-lover> or let me have another question, how you guys solve this problem? 07:45 < xcvvcx> remove it from config, it's first irc channel, leave backup only 07:45 < xcvvcx> server, not channel 07:48 < xcvvcx> https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/537uur/additional_irc_servers/ 07:49 < xcvvcx> leave agora only 07:49 < xcvvcx> *keep 07:57 < jm-lover> ok. replaced host = irc.cyberguerrilla.org, agora.anarplex.net 07:57 < jm-lover> by 07:57 < jm-lover> host = agora.anarplex.net, agora.anarplex.net 07:57 < jm-lover> will retry now 07:57 < waxwing> jm-lover: no just one, remove the second 07:57 < waxwing> remove all the cyberguerrilla entries in the MESSAGING section 07:59 < jm-lover> ok. my current message sextion is like this: 07:59 < jm-lover> host = agora.anarplex.net channel = joinmarket-pit, joinmarket-pit port = 6697, 14716 usessl = true, true socks5 = false, false socks5_host = localhost, localhost socks5_port = 9150, 9150 07:59 < jm-lover> sorry for one line 08:00 < waxwing> no remove all the second entries in the MESSAGING section 08:00 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:01 < waxwing> sorry it is not flexible, but each entry in that section is treated as a comma separated list, if you only want one server, make each setting have one value 08:03 < waxwing> 14716 for the port 08:03 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 08:04 < jm-lover> clear 08:04 < jm-lover> i thought that you randomle take the value from every line 08:04 < jm-lover> my mistake 08:07 < jm-lover> ok. Connected to IRC and joined channel on agora-irc but again stuck here: waiting for all replies.. timeout=45, timeout thread woken by timeout, makers didnt respond 08:08 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:09 < jm-lover> btw, can bots ignore me because I increased taker_utxo_retries ? 08:09 < jm-lover> or it is just for my personal security? 08:09 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 08:14 < waxwing> jm-lover: don't increase it, they will just reject larger values. there's specific comments suggesting not to do that. 08:16 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:20 < jm-lover> i noted that comments 08:20 < jm-lover> i increased it just because I used all attempts because of bot connections proboems 08:21 < jm-lover> and now I cannot move coins from the wallet 08:21 < jm-lover> as 3 attempts exhausted 08:21 < waxwing> jm-lover: you can use -N 0 08:21 < waxwing> no need to do a coinjoin 08:21 < waxwing> and there are other things you can do, read the page on sourcing commitments in the wiki 08:22 < jm-lover> you advise to move in to another mixlever with -N 0 and then retry mixing 08:22 < jm-lover> ? 08:22 < waxwing> also, re the above, you might still have an error in your config file 08:22 < jm-lover> your config remarks already applied, thanks ;) 08:23 < jm-lover> when I move from one mixdepth to another with -N 0 should I used internal or external address of the next level? 08:23 < jm-lover> (i dod not find this kind of advice in wiki) 08:23 < waxwing> you can do that, but i'm wondering why you want to do that? are you trying to get the coins out of the wallet, or? 08:24 < jm-lover> no. may aim is to mix it at least one time 08:24 < jm-lover> and only after that move our of the wallet 08:25 < waxwing> so the current question is why are you getting no response. hmm, yes your idea of doing -N 0 to another mixdepth is not bad, but it's partially guesswork. 08:25 < jm-lover> currently they all are on one UTOX on -m 1 08:25 < waxwing> i.e. we're guessing here that the problem might be that the utxo commitments are used up. 08:25 < waxwing> yes you can send to external in the next mixdepth (internal is OK too, but for simplicity) 08:25 < waxwing> you'd then wait for some time (5 confirms minimum) 08:26 < jm-lover> exactly, I just wonder what should be an error in case utxo commitments are used up. 08:26 < waxwing> there's two different cases: if your taker_utxo_retries is the correct value, then your own code will shut down and tell you so. 08:26 < jm-lover> I am gong to make -N 0 now to the next level, just wanted to get a hint before because these days bitcoin transactions costs a lot :) 08:27 < waxwing> but if you changed it, i think the maker rejects silently. that's what i remember. 08:27 < waxwing> jm-lover: yes. but note a -N 0 is much cheaper than a coinjoin. still can be expensive, of course. 08:27 < jm-lover> that's it. if thy reject silently then it can be the reason 08:27 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 08:28 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has joined #joinmarket 08:30 < jm-lover> btw, it is a pity that there is no a possibility to move with -N 0 with several outputs 08:30 < waxwing> jm-lover: there is, see sendmany.py 08:30 < waxwing> or sendtomany.py i forget 08:30 < waxwing> in cmttools 08:30 < waxwing> this is explained in the sourcing commitments page 08:30 < jm-lover> because in my cse I have just moved to next mixdepth with -N 0 and I will have again ONLY 3 attemprs 08:31 < jm-lover> thanks, will take a look again 08:32 < jm-lover> generally I do not have neithersendtomany.py nor sendmany.py in the folder 08:32 < jm-lover> did not checlcmttols :( 08:32 < jm-lover> there is really sendtomany.py 08:32 < jm-lover> thqnk you 08:32 < jm-lover> will wait for 5 confirms and continue 08:33 < jm-lover> thank you all for warm assistance 08:33 -!- jm-lover [5ef2de6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.242.222.110] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:33 < waxwing> oh gone already. shame was going to give one more tip. 08:47 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@106.red-83-61-222.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #joinmarket 09:04 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:16 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.181] has joined #joinmarket 09:48 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:28 < waxwing> tested new windows exe on fresh vm, seems to work 10:33 < grubles> nice ]o/ 10:33 < grubles> er \o/ 10:51 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] peterzen closed pull request #717: fix for minsize > maxsize AssertionError in yield-generator-basic.py (develop...develop) https://git.io/vys5j 10:52 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] peterzen closed pull request #718: Yieldgenerator minsize assert fix (develop...yieldgenerator-minsize-assert-fix) https://git.io/vyGMd 11:10 -!- ananteris [~user@unaffiliated/ananteris] has joined #joinmarket 11:13 < ananteris> are there many pro/con difference between joinmarket and tumblebit? 11:26 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.181] has joined #joinmarket 11:31 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:32 < waxwing> ananteris: sure, there are tons, tumblebit can allow unlinkability for a much larger group in one 'run' (hundreds of participants), and costs less in terms of transaction space. 11:32 < waxwing> otoh tumbler server requires a lot of collateral, and need agreement on fixed amount between that large set of counterparties. 11:33 < waxwing> tumbler server = tumblebit server sorry 11:59 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #joinmarket 12:00 -!- molz_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27 < ananteris> waxwing: they're not both already deployed to mainnet though right? 12:28 < waxwing> tumblebit is not, no. it's in development. but it isn't waiting on some new feature (like segwit), it's already compatible. 12:29 < ananteris> is joinmarket on mainnet?? without segwit? 12:29 < waxwing> for 2 years or so, yeah :) 13:58 -!- griest [49280799@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.40.7.153] has joined #joinmarket 13:59 < griest> hello I am new to joinmarket and I have some questions 13:59 < griest> Is there an benefit to running joinmarket through Tor? 13:59 -!- griest [49280799@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.40.7.153] has quit [Client Quit] 14:00 -!- noob555 [49280799@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.40.7.153] has joined #joinmarket 14:09 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:15 < noob555> hey would it destroy my privacy if I ran the tumbler script from the same IP that I used to purchase bitcoins from an exchange? 14:15 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20 < pigeons> you should configure joinmarket to use tor to increase ip address privacy 14:38 < gmaxwell> Updated banlist: (CLI syntax) https://0bin.net/paste/ECtbX9Bbn9K1AcDm#gUQKHb2GKHEAO643oVdhelqL-MCFpNUPLY/cVEW2oEB (debug console syntax) https://0bin.net/paste/qFU0+SJVE7oBX-pG#rlCTkACktlUC7Tmi8BTvWYGNB2bx5efUony8i0PteXf 14:54 < emzy> gmaxwell: what is on that list und who created it? 14:55 < gmaxwell> I created it. The list is hosts which either (1) are connecting to virtually everyone, or (2) connect to many more than usual _AND_ behave in a manner which distinguishes them from real node software. 14:55 < emzy> ok. tnx 14:57 < gmaxwell> It contains vast numbers of spynodes that try to undermine user's privacy... then some number of well meaning idiots that edited their software to crank their connection could (which ultimately harms them and the network as a whole)... and maybe a couple innocent false positives, though it's unlikely that there are many. 14:57 < noob555> okay would this situation afford me the max privacy? I buy bitcoins on a normal IP and transfer to a bitcoin core wallet. Then I access that wallet from tails and run the tumbler script. 14:59 < noob555> what if I created the bitcoin core wallet from a normal IP but didn't make any transactions? Could the normal IP be linked to that wallet? 15:01 < pigeons> joinmarket uses its own wallet and bitcoin-core's rpc interface, not the bitcoin-core wallet. 15:02 < pigeons> but you are right creating a wallet shouldn't cause any linkable online activity 15:02 < emzy> gmaxwell: FYI after applying the list I'm down from 176 connections to 168 15:05 < noob555> so does patientsendpayment.py effectively cancel out the fees associated with tumbling? 15:09 -!- HostFat [~HostFat@host86-107-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 15:22 < pigeons> i don't know, patientsendpayment wasn't working when I last looked at it. But you're probably going to pay a little more in mining fees based on tx sizes than you will earn in join fees 15:23 < waxwing> patientsendpayment only works on develop branch, apart from that, yeah, it's an offset to fees, but prob not net positive, and no, it doesn't achieve the same privacy as a tumbler run 15:27 < waxwing> although it is really quite good for privacy since it mixes roles and makes it harder for a snooper to figure out who is doing what 15:44 < noob555> wait so it it more or less private than tumbling? 15:45 -!- raedah [~x@184.75.223.211] has joined #joinmarket 15:47 -!- noob555 [49280799@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.40.7.153] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.181] has joined #joinmarket 16:43 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-117-236.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #joinmarket 18:24 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:39 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@106.red-83-61-222.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:44 -!- HostFat_ [~HostFat@host166-241-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 18:45 -!- HostFat [~HostFat@host86-107-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:28 -!- phantomcircuit [~phantomci@192.241.205.97] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:29 -!- phantomcircuit [~phantomci@192.241.205.97] has joined #joinmarket 23:56 -!- zxccxz [4f7c12cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.124.18.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57 -!- so [~so@unaffiliated/so] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57 -!- so [~so@unaffiliated/so] has joined #joinmarket