--- Day changed Sat Mar 11 2017 00:05 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 00:18 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 01:55 -!- madgoat [~gk.1wm.su@177.47.27.241] has joined #joinmarket 01:57 -!- madgoat [~gk.1wm.su@177.47.27.241] has quit [K-Lined] 02:16 < herbit> when i run wallet tool history it appears cj sweepout and the coins disappear from the wallet, should i restore the wallet from the seed?the amount does not match... 02:34 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 04:57 < waxwing> akrmn: sorry i'm a bit busy with like 2 other things atm, but briefly, to answer: the wallet password thing is indeed a pain for non-interactive restart, i'm not sure the best solution. as for other issues, as i recall, there is only one other: the amount distribution is wrong on restart, i gave an example of where it might be an issue, and i think it should be fixed as currently it doesn't follow the actual algorithm intended. i gave an example in my c 04:57 < waxwing> ode, although it doesn't really cross-apply. 04:57 < waxwing> if anyone else wants to do some review on akrmn 's code that'd be appreciated. 04:58 < waxwing> belcher: 's suggestion of #679 is at least workable, but tbh i am reluctant to devote time to #679 since it's a deterioration of security to give people a non-password option, even if it's entirely workable, i'd rather spend time on extra features that are highly needed improvements. 05:00 < herbit> being new at this, is it better to have 5 wallets with 1btc each, or one wallet with 5 btc? all coins on mixdepth 0 for yeld gen? 05:01 < herbit> keep in mind i want to earn the biggest percentage possible while keeping my small stash of coins safe. 05:01 < waxwing> i would go with one wallet 05:02 < waxwing> i *think* there's more demand at amounts > 1btc, although not really sure 05:02 < waxwing> also it's a lot easier, and you can still join small amounts with a larger wallet 05:03 < herbit> waxwing, why is your site down regarding the available makes and takers? 05:04 < herbit> i mean https://joinmarket.me/ob/ 05:04 < waxwing> oh is it down? i'll try to bring it back up, thanks 05:11 < herbit> its not really down, it just says error eccurred.... 05:11 < waxwing> yeah the underlying ob-watcher is down. you can run the script locally btw 05:13 < herbit> how hard would it be for me to have ob-watcher running on my pc and be able to access it from my phone when outside? and is it safe to be running on the same machine as the yeld gen while acessing from the in internet... 05:14 < waxwing> the ob-watcher script itself doesn't have a security issue, it doesn't access or control keys 05:14 < herbit> sorry but i am a newbie regarding networks, more of a hardware guy.... 05:14 < waxwing> but the other more general network security concerns exist, that's orthogonal i guess 05:16 < herbit> mmhhhh, i will keep it simple and use your site to check on the orders :) 05:16 < herbit> when it is working i mean... 05:17 < waxwing> it's not really reliable. if you need to be sure what's going on, go to the irc channels. 05:17 < waxwing> huh, i can't seem to get it back onto the site. sorry give me a bit, i'm doing 10 things at once :) 05:18 < herbit> no problem man,i dont even know how to do it myself.... 05:20 < herbit> what do you mean by going to the irc channels? can i acess the irc channels where the offers are happening? i am new to irc and i am using freenode.net 05:20 -!- Guest58881 [~starsocce@2001:41d0:2:7f76::] has quit [Changing host] 05:20 -!- Guest58881 [~starsocce@unaffiliated/starsoccer] has joined #joinmarket 05:21 < waxwing> sure, irc.cyberguerrilla.net channel #joinmarket-pit and same channel on agora.anarplex.net 05:21 < waxwing> i brought it back up but it's only viewing agora; cgan is not allowing it to connect 05:22 < waxwing> someone could add a bit to the html to print out the message channels connected to 05:23 -!- Guest58881 is now known as starsoccer 05:24 < herbit> so i just need to write /join #joinmarket.pit? 05:25 < waxwing> you need to connect to those IRC servers, then /join #joinmarket-pit 05:25 < waxwing> server names and ports are in joinmarket.cfg file 05:26 < herbit> really new at this 05:26 < herbit> at the moment i am on webchat.freenode.net in my browser 05:26 < waxwing> well, no rush. /ob/ is back up, agora only 05:26 < waxwing> get an IRC client, there's various free ones 05:27 < herbit> i wrote /join #joinmarket.pit 05:27 < waxwing> - not . 05:28 < waxwing> and there'll be nobody there on freenode, it's not used 05:28 < herbit> but nothing is happening on joinmarket-pit 05:29 < belcher> you'll likely need a more sophisticated IRC client to connect to more than one server at once 05:29 < herbit> you went there :) 05:30 < herbit> i am on windows atm but my computer runing jmarket is on lubuntu... 05:31 < herbit> ok 05:31 < herbit> so i need something like mirc or similar, correct? 05:33 < herbit> i am not a linux user but i try to keep everything related to btc in other laptop running linux... 05:41 < belcher> yeah, people around here use hexchat 05:42 < belcher> i.e. me and some others, there are other clients 05:42 < belcher> tails OS has pidgin installed 05:42 < belcher> btw, from CGAN 05:42 < belcher> -Global- [Network Notice] Doemela - CgAn IRC is gone transfer to new server today all new connections will resolve to that new server 05:42 < belcher> -Global- [Network Notice] Services will be shutdown on this server so we can cp the database to new server 05:44 < herbit> yeah, i have tails somewhere in a pendrive, but was having alot of problems wit 05:44 < herbit> with captchas and whatnot. 05:46 < herbit> really good distro, but i do not need it for everyday stuff...also have some windows progs i need to run for work that does not run on linux.... 05:47 < herbit> just ran a wallet tool history, is 0.4xxxx% ok? 05:47 < belcher> yeah seems fairly standard 05:47 < herbit> like 0.400123..... 05:47 < belcher> maybe a bit low compared to others, but the usage of joinmarket might have droppepd lately a bit 05:49 < herbit> i see people with 100btc+ on the orderbook. do they earn alot more then a small time like me? 05:49 < belcher> more in absolute terms, in relative % terms i dont know 05:49 < herbit> i researched about tumbler online and there are alot, from 0.5 to 3 or 4% i think 05:50 < herbit> why dont people use jm more? 05:50 < herbit> it seems cheaper for amounts »0.5btc .... 05:53 < belcher> its harder to use and the core has many problems 05:53 < belcher> code* 05:55 < herbit> was speaking with a friend yesterday, and he said that i will earn with jm is not worth it because i will be mixing with "dirty" coins....what is your opinion about this? 05:55 < belcher> "dirty coins" dont really exist in bitcoin 05:56 < belcher> if you have a bitcoin its very easy to trade it or use it to buy something regardless of its history, there are some exceptions but not may 05:56 < belcher> many* 05:57 < herbit> i bought btc for investing to be honest, but i read on bitcoin reddit alot of people having their accounts shutdown because they use it for *other stuff... 05:58 < waxwing> a lot of bitcoiners have bank accounts shut down purely for trading bitcoin, nothing else 05:58 < waxwing> some banks flag any bitcoin trade as suspicious activity, especially if it's more than 1 or 2 05:58 < herbit> yes, i also know that 06:00 < herbit> last week there was 1 or 2 articles on my national paper about btc, nothing positive, everything about the bad stuff you can use it for. is frustrating to read it... 06:01 < herbit> money laundering, tax evasion bla bla bla... 06:02 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] hahaha 06:03 < belcher> dont forget terrorist funding and pedophiles 06:03 < herbit> my brother even called me....to ask if everything was fine with me... 06:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] haha 06:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] man 06:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] u real funny 06:04 < herbit> and he bought 1 btc last year because i told him to... 06:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] realy 06:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] where u from 06:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] every ting good there 06:05 < herbit> hearth 06:05 < herbit> lol 06:06 < herbit> *earth 06:06 < belcher> reading over some of my posts from 18 months ago, hah i sound ignorant 06:06 < waxwing> herbit: i can tell you one thing from experience: i bought many things online with bitcoins using joinmarket, never had a case of it being blocked or flagged in any way. 06:07 < waxwing> but it's true that, until we get much more similar activity (privacy enhancing transactions) used by a lot more people, there is always the threat that it will be attacked. 06:07 < herbit> i am more of a hodler...lol 06:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] haa 06:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] let me guess vmware kali 06:09 < herbit> its sad that the news only speak about the bad stuff, i go in a cafe to meet some friends ....they be like...here comes the mafia guy.lolol 06:09 < JM-IRCRelay> [Aladeen] hehehhehe 06:10 < belcher> herbit just say you use it to buy games on steam 06:10 < belcher> a small mundane use that everyone understands 06:11 < herbit> i am honest, i bought it as am investment...i usually do not game alot.... 06:12 < herbit> today one of my old friends called me, hey is bitcoin more expensive the gold?i read in the paper.. lol 06:13 < herbit> like 30 min before the etf was declined.lol 06:13 < belcher> waxwing im going to merge my pr about absurd fee rates, using the github-merge.py script 06:14 < herbit> since i am stupid, what does that mean in simple terms? 06:15 < herbit> i am only using jm as a yield generator...does it affect me? 06:16 < waxwing> belcher: you remember where the notes are on how to use it right 06:16 < waxwing> iirc there were only a couple of things you had to do 06:19 < belcher> yep im reading https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/427#issuecomment-250143021 06:20 * waxwing nods 06:29 < waxwing> herbit: no nothing to worry about there; btw if you want to chat about bitcoin, #bitcoin has > 1000 people in it :) 06:29 < waxwing> not that you're not welcome to chat here 06:33 < belcher> waxwing did you get an error "Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository. Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists. ERROR: Cannot find pull request #721 on git@github.com:JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket." 06:33 < belcher> i also tried chris-belcher/joinmarket instead of JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket 06:34 < waxwing> belcher: i have a memory of one thing: you have to configure access via ssh 06:34 < waxwing> if you currently only use password it doesn't work i think 06:34 < belcher> okay 06:34 < belcher> that makes sense since it seemed to ask me to verify a fingerprint like ssh does 06:35 < waxwing> yeah these kind of things can be a pain, but it's remarkably easy to use once set up. 06:36 < belcher> so you use ssh keys to access? that thing where instead of typing an ssh password it has some cryptographic file (the key i guess) and then it logs you in straight away 06:37 < waxwing> yeah, like ssh-config and whatnot. i think if you go into settings on github it'll guide you to what to do. 06:37 < belcher> ok ty 06:45 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] chris-belcher closed pull request #721: fixed absurd miner fee check (develop...fix-absurd-miner-fee) https://git.io/vygri 06:45 < belcher> alright :) 06:45 < belcher> signed too 06:49 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 07:04 < waxwing> \o/ 07:46 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has joined #joinmarket 09:30 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:39 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] chris-belcher opened pull request #722: Import privkey non-interactively (master...cli-import-privkey) https://git.io/vyo5g 10:52 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:53 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 12:16 -!- 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subtractfeefromamount type send i can do 13:17 < belcher> use sendpayment with amount = 0 13:18 < instagibbs> ah great thanks 13:19 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 13:23 < instagibbs> can you confirm wiki is out of date, amount should be before address in examples? 13:23 < instagibbs> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Sending-payments-with-CoinJoin 13:24 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:24 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 13:28 < belcher> the amount is before address 13:28 < belcher> like in the wiki page 13:28 < belcher> (?) 13:29 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 13:29 < belcher> unless you mean patientsendpayment 13:29 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:29 < instagibbs> yeah 13:30 < belcher> that is actually too-modern :p its for an unreleased fix of patientsendpayment 13:30 < belcher> i dont think the one in the currently released version works 13:31 < instagibbs> you're right it doesn't :P 13:32 < instagibbs> ok ill do normal send, pay the big bucks 13:33 < belcher> if you want to cheap out you can do -N 0 13:33 < belcher> which sends without coinjoin 13:33 < instagibbs> yeah looking through --help now. current feerates are "absurd" :) 13:34 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 13:34 < belcher> yep... 13:34 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34 < belcher> in fact the whole handling of miner fees is messed up right now 13:34 < belcher> takers pay for almost everything 13:34 < belcher> makers get a free ride 13:38 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has 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