--- Day changed Mon Mar 13 2017 00:08 < juscamarena> waxwing: 2.8 will help so many newbs in general fee wise 00:12 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has joined #joinmarket 00:12 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:12 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 00:17 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 01:08 -!- stachrom [55c3ffee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.195.255.238] has joined #joinmarket 01:24 -!- cbits [~cbits@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 01:33 -!- cbits [~cbits@47.148.176.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:59 -!- herbit [6bb6e9a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.182.233.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:47 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.202.107.5] has joined #joinmarket 02:51 -!- stachrom [55c3ffee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.195.255.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:45 -!- Ernie2 [~Ernie@static.22.144.99.88.clients.your-server.de] has 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timeout: 256 seconds] 10:22 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:26 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:26 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:31 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:31 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:36 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:40 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:41 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:57 < MaxSan> hey 10:57 < MaxSan> im getting a lot of these messages 10:57 < MaxSan> ERROR outputs unconfirmed or already spent 10:59 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] when doing what? 11:01 < MaxSan> just trying to send a payment 11:02 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] whats your source for the blockchain? Running an own bitcoin core or using blockr? 11:04 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has quit [] 11:04 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 11:04 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] ah, since blockr seems to be down and serving out-of-date blockchain states, i guess that might be the source of problem either on your side. Or the makers you try to join with use that outdated source. Either way can lead to this error message 11:06 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] can verify yourself: open https://blockr.io/ and see that cloudflare is serving an old, cache version 11:06 < waxwing> orly, interesting 11:07 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] unsure if it also does that for the api 11:07 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato1] (gotta go now, afk, sorry) 11:11 -!- gk-- [~1wm-su@d43150.artnet.gda.pl] has joined #joinmarket 11:12 -!- gk-- [~1wm-su@d43150.artnet.gda.pl] has quit [K-Lined] 11:24 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28 < juscamarena> waxwing: haven't seen that on mainnet hmm 11:30 < waxwing> you mean the fee thing? no, for sure. testnet support is obviously a bit new, only a couple of servers, bound to be experimental. 11:30 < waxwing> plus i always wonder whether fee estimators are going to work properly in testnet; it's debatable what 'properly' even means. 11:32 < waxwing> ok, pretty sure it's right, because i just did estimatefee 3 on my own testnet instance and got the same: 1020 i.e. 1 sat per byte. 11:32 < MaxSan> sorry 11:32 < MaxSan> I was running my own node 11:33 < juscamarena> isn't fee est based off what's in the mempool currently? Not sure how electrum does it. 11:34 < waxwing> yes MaxSan it can theoretically happen just by bad luck, or it could be makers using the same utxos in more than 1 tx, i personally have tried to use the -P option to avoid getting "stuck" on people squatting with low fees, or have other dubious looking configuration 11:35 < waxwing> e.g. avoid where there are lots of repeated values. but, it's hard to say for sure. i haven't personally had problems with sendpayments last couple of months, it probably comes and goes. 11:36 < waxwing> juscamarena: well what i just looked at strongly suggests what you'd expect: the electrumX server is just reporting what its bitcoind node tells it via estimatefee 11:37 < waxwing> although i guess they've been improving it by sourcing estimates from multiple servers 11:50 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.202.107.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:22 -!- Elanthius [5e1f234e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.31.35.78] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57 -!- herbit 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