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ZZZzzz…] 09:19 -!- Guest____ [~textual@2a02:908:1472:7e60:dd85:b6c9:d54f:e13e] has joined #joinmarket 09:23 < Michail1> Are there many coinjoins, or is it rare since very few know how to do it / no GUI? 09:23 < Michail1> Allowed to ask questions, or are the responses going to be something along the lines of "RTFM"? 09:24 < waxwing> there's a gui here: https://github.com/AdamISZ/joinmarket-clientserver/releases 09:24 < waxwing> still hoping for some more feedback 09:24 < waxwing> also an electrum plugin here https://github.com/AdamISZ/electrum-joinmarket-plugin 09:25 < Michail1> meaning, suggesting I try that and give you feedback on what I think? 09:25 < waxwing> i'd say volume is a bit lower, or quite a lot lower, than say 3 months ago, probably for a few reasons 09:25 < waxwing> but it's actually rather hard to measure, so you won't get categorical answers to that kind of Q 09:26 < waxwing> Michail1: sure, that'd be great, see reddit thread here https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/5yekko/added_windows_and_tailsdebian32_binaries_for_new/ 09:26 < waxwing> and the other ones it links to 09:26 < Michail1> I jus want to see something happening to ensure I have it setup correctly. Pretty sure it is; however, I can't 'see' anything happen other than looking at the address I put coins in which hasn't changed. 09:27 < waxwing> you can set the fee lower in the yield generator script file you're running 09:27 < waxwing> you'll see it at the top of the file 09:27 < waxwing> no guarantees, but it can be a good idea for testing to set it very low 09:28 < Michail1> changing fee requires a restart or does the script check the cfg file for updates 09:28 < waxwing> you can also test it by running as a taker (use sendpayment.py with -P flag and choose your own bot). that's a bit fiddly, but possible. 09:28 < waxwing> restart is required. 09:28 < Michail1> (Obviously a lot of beginner questions gonna be comin from me). 09:28 < waxwing> np, just don't be annoyed if nobody answers, often people aren't around 09:28 < Michail1> ctrl+c to quit the script or a better key combo? 09:29 < waxwing> just ctrl-c 09:31 < Michail1> tx_fees = 3 is default. or, so you mean another? 09:31 < waxwing> no inside the yg*.py file, at the top 09:31 < waxwing> it should be in the config, nobody's got around to doing that yet 09:32 < Michail1> k. any specific reason to use yg-basic or yg-pe 09:34 < Michail1> And, I understand that with such a small crowd of people, my questions may take a while to get a response. Honestly didn't expect an answer within minutes. Got lucky you just happened to watch. Basically, I am not trying to make anything, but didn't want to lose funds by setting up a fee which ends up draining my funds. As such, what would you suggest I set my fee to in order to simply 09:34 < Michail1> see things happening without actually costing me coins. 09:59 -!- Janka [d403c07b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.3.192.123] has joined #joinmarket 10:06 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has left #joinmarket ["Leaving"] 10:09 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:19 -!- takamatsu_ is now known as takamatsu 11:01 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 11:15 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 11:52 < Michail1> The wiki needs to be updated. Under 'Running', the settings are cjfee_a and cjfee_r. But, the minsize references float(cjfee) where cjfee doesn't exist. 11:53 < waxwing> Michail1: ah sorry just got back, on the low fees question: the code is set up so you'd never lose money as a maker, even if you set the fees ultra low. 11:54 < waxwing> on the question of which script and the differences: yg-basic is what it says, nothing fancy, yg-pe is a slight change that tries to avoid reannouncing offers for slightly better privacy, but in practice that has not turned out to be important (details, won't go into). there is a third, yg-randomizer, in the custom-scripts repo 11:55 < waxwing> https://github.com/joinmarket-org/custom-scripts 11:55 < waxwing> that's a tweak to yg-pe that randomizes your fee offers slightly to improve on-blockchain privacy a bit. the choice between the 3 is not super important right now. 11:55 < waxwing> and of course you can write your own :) 11:56 < waxwing> the comments in the randomizer version are good (h/t alexcato) https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/custom-scripts/blob/master/yield-generators/yg-randomizer.py#L14-L22 12:00 -!- FASDFSF [~FASDFSF@unaffiliated/fasdfsf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05 < waxwing> Michail1: and finally, thanks for the typo on the wiki 12:07 < Michail1> Thanks. I would just hate to set low fees to find out that my test is found to cost me money and quickly drain my wallet cause I see something to where I am actually paying all the fees. Don't want to cause my own OOPS (dao drain) type of thing. 12:07 < Michail1> s/see/did/ 12:08 < waxwing> yes, well, clearly it was quite important for the code to avoid that :) it's been running for a long time now (close to 2 years). 12:11 -!- Guest____ [~textual@2a02:908:1472:7e60:dd85:b6c9:d54f:e13e] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:12 < Michail1> Faith in the code. No faith in myself making sure I don't screw it up. Want to make super low fees just to see something happening. :) 12:14 -!- Guest____ [~textual@2a02:908:1472:7e60:dd85:b6c9:d54f:e13e] has joined #joinmarket 12:30 < waxwing> i don't know whether it's an error in the wiki per se; complication is that the minsize dynamic setting only applies to rel fee, not abs fee. but we don't want to write the whole chunk of code there, it's just pseudo code. well, maybe. 12:45 < Michail1> I consider it a typo if you can't run the script exactly as the wiki shows for 'running' 12:45 < Michail1> Traceback (most recent call last): 12:45 < Michail1> File "yield-generator-basic.py", line 19, in 12:45 < Michail1> minsize = int(1.2 * txfee / float(cjfee)) 12:45 < Michail1> NameError: name 'cjfee' is not defined 12:50 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@106.red-83-61-222.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:50 < waxwing> yes, given that it says 'Currently these are the fields', it's wrong. also we don't use nickserv_password any more. it's indeed out of date. 12:52 < waxwing> oh nickserv_password is still in the code. well, anyway the link i gave above has more useful comments (yg-randomizer) 12:58 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 13:00 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:06 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:14 -!- juscamarena_ [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 13:17 -!- andytosh2 [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:17 -!- Rix_ [~rix@bnc.vps.bg] has joined #joinmarket 13:18 -!- Anduck_ [~Anduck@unaffiliated/anduck] has joined #joinmarket 13:22 -!- gijensen92 [~gijensen@5.9.173.182] has joined #joinmarket 13:23 -!- q-biq_ [q-biq@153.92.126.244] has joined #joinmarket 13:24 -!- instagibbs_ [~instagibb@pool-100-15-117-236.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:25 -!- iinaj_ [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uuqaozngceuqmnfy] has joined #joinmarket 13:28 -!- technonerd_ [~techno@unaffiliated/technonerd] has joined #joinmarket 13:29 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: waxwing, iinaj, technonerd, instagibbs, gijensen, juscamarena, andytoshi, q-biq, Anduck, Rix 13:29 -!- Rix_ is now known as Rix 13:29 -!- gijensen92 is now known as gijensen 13:29 -!- Rix is now known as Guest82780 13:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: waxwing 13:32 -!- iinaj_ is now known as iinaj 13:52 -!- tezukchi [~tezukchi@ppp91-77-82-53.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58 < Michail1> waxwing - I noticed. So, I am using that one. 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