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02:05 < topkeklel> heya peeps. I've triend putting 0.015btc in my mixing depth 0, but im still getting assert order['minsize'] <= order['maxsize'] when i run yield-generator-basic
02:06 < topkeklel> yield-generator-basic is using stock values
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05:20 < nkuttler> there are assertions in the yigen? i thought python removes them when optimizing..
05:22 < waxwing> yes there are a couple of asserts, not triggered by external input though :)
05:22 < waxwing> re the Q, i think there is a recently merged PR that addresses that. would need to check. use develop branch.
05:23 < nkuttler> or use yg-pe instead? i thought that was recommended
05:23 < waxwing> there are other asserts Taker side, e.g. fee sanity check
05:23 < waxwing> honestly they all should be fine. yg-randomizer too.
05:23 < waxwing> i'll look up the PR I was thinking of.
05:24 < nkuttler> hm, i'm on master and only have pe + basic
05:24 < waxwing> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/commit/f961e4dcd23636a55de948994b3d7a11b8a896a6
05:24 < waxwing> it's not really a big deal; the PR just doesn't assert but will create no orders.
05:26 < waxwing> not crashing, but creating no orders. seems debatable which is better.
07:01 < belcher> here in the uk they're talking about encrypted messaging services like whatsapp now for antiterrorism...
07:01 < waxwing> belcher: did you accidentally a word?
07:02 < belcher> nope? they're talking about how its a problem and presumably they want backdoors
07:02 < belcher> one man with a knife and a car is apparently reason enough to backdoor everything
07:02 < waxwing> right. but what are they going to do? (well, what are they *talking about* doing)
07:02 < waxwing> on its face your sentence suggests *using* whatsapp for anti-terrorism :)
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07:37 < MaxSan> lol that took me a triple read
07:37 < MaxSan> but i see what you mean waxwing
07:38 < waxwing> yeah but i'm just being dumb, it's obvious what he means, see recent events in Brazil.
07:38 < andytoshi> i read the same way as waxwing
07:38 < andytoshi> but also was able to infer the meaning from the context words "uk" and "antiterrorism" :P
07:38 < waxwing> they put out court orders blocking whatsapp a few times.
07:38 < waxwing> whole thing's kinda inevitable
07:39 < belcher> wait, so what was not understandable from my text?
07:39 < belcher> (was afk just now)
07:39 < andytoshi> belcher: i misread "encrypted" as "encrypting" and thought the govt was going to encrypt whatsapp (on top of its exsting encryption?) for some reason
07:39 < andytoshi> i think waxwing did something similar
07:39 < belcher> hah that would be interesting
07:40 < andytoshi> it would be fun if we could convince them that adding a layer of encryption would give them the ability to decrypt :P
07:40 < waxwing> it's just colloquial understanding ; "talking about X for Y" generally implies talking about *using* X for Y.
07:40 < belcher> i think they dont have to knowledge or at least the general public doesnt have the knowledge of how encryption works so for now its just a lot of complaining about encrypted messaging
07:41 < andytoshi> i wonder if a public ad campaign to do, e.g. mental RSA with small primes, would convince people that this is just math and isn't actually stoppable by legislating specific apps
07:41 < waxwing> andytoshi: let me stop you right there. lost everyone at "primes" :)
07:41 < andytoshi> haha, yeah, too bad
07:41 < waxwing> funnily enough i've sometimes thought about that, but it doesn't work educationally
07:42 < andytoshi> i think it _would_ get a lot of otherwise subversively-inclined smart teenagers to start doing cypherpunk shit, for all that's worth
07:42 < waxwing> because it's the behaviour of numbers at larger-than-human scales where things get interesting
07:42 < andytoshi> yeah, agreed
07:42 < waxwing> yes, for sure, and cryptocurrency has helped an enormous amount to wake people up about crypto
07:42 < MaxSan> we all understood
07:42 < MaxSan> just funny heh
07:43 < waxwing> andytoshi: still waiting for the first print run of your book :)
07:44 < andytoshi> haha, it crossed my mind again the other day, to build up mimblewimble through scriptless scripts from schnorr sigs, interspersed with political history
07:44 < andytoshi> but sadly would require a full-time commitment for the better part of a year i estimate, which i don't have
07:44 < waxwing> i mean the discrete log table thingy
07:44 < andytoshi> oh haha, i forgot about that!
07:44 < waxwing> although heck go for it :)
07:45 < MaxSan> talking about cypherpunk
07:45 < MaxSan> anyone coming to HCPP for 2017?
07:45 < MaxSan> tickets went on sale today
07:45 < andytoshi> we were talking about it at blockstream, to just put it subtly on various bookshelfs and sometimes consult it when guests were around
07:45 < waxwing> lol     
07:45 < waxwing> sprinkle in some vampires or something, bump the sales with the young kids
07:46 < andytoshi> hahah
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08:18 < fluffypony> lol     
08:20 < fluffypony> re: mental RSA with small primes, if you look at how resistance cells communicated in WW1 / WW2 it's clear that you don't need an app
08:20 < fluffypony> this whole thing is dumb
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08:47 < andytoshi> maybe if people knew that it was possible they'd do this. unfortunately even with ECC you need to be handling 80-digit numbers which nobody can transcribe reliably
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11:45 < belcher> i wonder if localbitcoins or other traders use joinmarket? which is why a price rise/volume rise would also result in more coinjoining volume as they do mixing
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