--- Day changed Sat Apr 01 2017 00:13 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 00:29 -!- zxccxz [53e42f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.228.47.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 03:38 -!- cannon-c [ccc23f04@taskhive/supporter/liberland] has joined #joinmarket 03:38 < cannon-c> Does coinjoin use one signature per join, or multiple signatures? 03:44 -!- xcvvcx [53e42f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.228.47.51] has joined #joinmarket 04:16 < belcher> cannon-c it uses one signature per input 04:16 < belcher> because thats how bitcoin transactions work right now 04:18 < cannon-c> ok 04:18 < cannon-c> was in bitcoin chan 04:18 < cannon-c> discussing possibilities on using schnorr signatures in coinjoin so only one signature is needed per join 04:18 < waxwing> belcher: well, one signature per input for p2pkh :) 04:18 < waxwing> but, of course, knew what you meant 04:18 < cannon-c> for scaling 04:19 < cannon-c> so coinjoin can be used for enhanced privacy, but also scaling. since if alot of peole used coinjoin with privacy as incentive, multiple transactsions share just one signature 04:19 < waxwing> cannon-c: yes we're all very aware schnorr could be a big positive for coinjoin, and may even give an economic incentive separate from the privacy one 04:20 < belcher> yes that is true cannon-c we're very excited for that possibility 04:20 < cannon-c> i want to setup joinmarket server regardlesss of profits 04:21 < waxwing> although it's difficult to be sure how it'll all play out. aggregation is interactive, but we're already interactive, so we're kind of assuming it would work and be worth doing. 04:21 < cannon-c> but am curious if there is an earnings estimator anywhere? 04:23 < belcher> not really, it seems to be between 0.5% and 3% depending on how many bitcoins you have 04:23 < belcher> based on information some people share 04:24 < cannon-c> the live view is giving 502 error 04:25 < cannon-c> in link above 04:25 < cannon-c> does joinmarket project have a site? 04:25 < belcher> you can run your own version, the same thing is done by the ob-watcher.py script 04:25 < belcher> it has joinmarket.me which is waxwing's blog, but most of the stuff is on bitcointalk, reddit, github, irc 04:29 < waxwing> yeah site was down, not sure why. back up now. 04:34 -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444] has joined #joinmarket 04:35 < waxwing> belcher: nopara was reporting ultra low fees, looked into it and it was a combination of these things: running release, getting estimatefee return -1, doing sweep, getting more input utxos than expected (double), which sweep cannot re-adjust for. 04:35 < belcher> hmm 04:35 < waxwing> of these factors, the estimatefee -1 returning 30000 was the most important one, the double utxos thing then reduced the fee effectively by half again, making it really low 04:35 < waxwing> like 17000 sat / kB 04:36 < waxwing> so, in develop, we have a fix for the hardcoded 30000, but looking at it, i'm not sure it's right really. 04:36 < waxwing> and the unexpected number of inputs thing is part of the sweep design, probably related to your recent thoughts on fee handling (somewhere) 04:37 < waxwing> if the hardcoded 30000 was somehow magically replaced with a reasonable estimate, you'd end up with half the fee you intended, still bad but not disastrous. 04:37 -!- UGS [995c2c28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.92.44.40] has joined #joinmarket 04:38 < UGS> Hello 04:38 < waxwing> at first i didn't really believe he was describing a bug, thought he'd done something wrong, because i'd not personally encountered such situations. but then i looked into it, it's definitely a realistic scenario, if somewhat of a corner case. 04:38 < UGS> Does anyone know how to fix error failed blockr.io pushtx when using tumbler? 05:09 < UGS> hello? 05:10 < cannon-c> not sure UGS 05:10 < cannon-c> im very new to joinmarket 05:12 < UGS> is it working for you? 05:23 < cannon-c> ive not ran joinmarket right now, still in reading stages 05:24 < UGS> There's been some recent issues, blockr.io captchas and fees 05:25 < UGS> it doesnt work well with tor because blockr.io blocks you and now fees are high JM can be slow 05:25 < cannon-c> lol "blockr blocks you" 05:25 < cannon-c> such a pun 05:25 < UGS> lol yeah 05:25 < cannon-c> fuck cloudflare 05:25 < cannon-c> i wish cloudflare would have died off after it was proven to be malicious MITM 05:26 < cannon-c> and leaking everyones password and data 05:26 < UGS> yeah they've taken over 05:26 < cannon-c> it needs to burn 05:26 < UGS> Strongly agree 05:28 < cannon-c> your just trying to push raw transaction? 05:28 < cannon-c> blockchain.info has .onion address, maybe try its api with .onion ? 05:29 < UGS> Trying to run the joinmarket tumbler, uses blockr.io to push a transaction 05:30 < cannon-c> could need to modify source code 05:30 < cannon-c> to use blockchain .onion api 05:31 < UGS> I think it was that easy JM devs would of already done it, the only fix Ive ready about is running a node 05:33 < cannon-c> should be easy 05:34 < cannon-c> but you have more experience with jm than I do 05:41 < cannon-c> should make for an easy commit though, just change URL from blockr to blockchain .onion and adjust for different API where needed. Then give users option to toggle between blockchain clearnet and tor address 05:44 < waxwing> there's already a bc.i interface in the develop branch. but not well tested, doesn't support testnet, seems slow, i wouldn't use it personally. 05:45 < waxwing> also an electrum one but similar story. 05:45 < cannon-c> waxwing if i recall you built electrum plugin? 05:46 < waxwing> yeah but that's something else again (using JM in electrum), here was talking about using electrum as a blockchain source in normal JM (scripts) 05:48 < UGS> waxwing any idea whats causing my failed blockr.io pushtx error? just running latest version on ubuntu 05:48 < waxwing> if on ubuntu, then no, not sure what would cause that 05:48 < waxwing> i mean obviously it can happen. i believe the code tries to rebroadcast, did it crash with an exception, or did it try again? 05:49 < UGS> whats the best OS for JM 05:49 < waxwing> ubuntu is fine 05:50 < waxwing> goes without saying blockr is not recommended, at all. privacy firstly, but also i think in recent months it has become less reliable. 05:50 < UGS> what do you use instead? 05:50 < waxwing> Core 05:51 < UGS> is that where you download the full blockchain? 05:51 < waxwing> yes although can be pruned 05:51 < waxwing> afk 05:54 -!- cannon-c is now known as cannon-c_AFK 06:14 -!- UGS [995c2c28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.92.44.40] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:16 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:31 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-106-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 07:44 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 07:48 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-106-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:04 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-133-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 08:08 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-133-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-68-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 08:34 -!- cbits [~cbits@2605:e000:afcc:1200:4c27:8d09:5a2f:d6f0] has joined #joinmarket 08:57 -!- quitobro [6426f851@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.38.248.81] has joined #joinmarket 10:22 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 10:32 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:32 -!- cbits [~cbits@2605:e000:afcc:1200:4c27:8d09:5a2f:d6f0] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53 -!- quitobro [6426f851@gateway/web/freenode/ip.100.38.248.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53 -!- cannon-c_AFK [ccc23f04@taskhive/supporter/liberland] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53 -!- xcvvcx [53e42f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.228.47.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:53 -!- zxccxz_ [5db79885@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.183.152.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:55 -!- gijensen [~gijensen@5.9.173.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:59 -!- gijensen [~gijensen@5.9.173.182] has joined #joinmarket 11:03 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-68-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:21 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-27-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 11:23 < JM-IRCRelay> [Calvin] I have hacked airline website for seal who would like to by ? 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