--- Day changed Sat Apr 08 2017 01:29 -!- MaxSan [~one@178.162.198.45] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 02:27 -!- zxccxz [d41590e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.21.144.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:36 -!- FASDFSF [~FASDFSF@unaffiliated/fasdfsf] has joined #joinmarket 02:40 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:55 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 03:24 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.9.19.107] has joined #joinmarket 04:19 -!- zxccxz [d41590e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.21.144.227] has joined #joinmarket 04:21 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13 -!- buckowski is now known as Chumbawumba 06:41 -!- FASDFSF [~FASDFSF@unaffiliated/fasdfsf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43 -!- Chumbawumba is now known as nowhat 06:44 -!- nowhat [buckowski@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xinohlpzlrkuuxwm] has quit [Quit: ereet] 06:46 -!- Pilfers [Pillfersr@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-urrwhoqttyydllkv] has joined #joinmarket 07:43 < waxwing> belcher: adlai gmaxwell how i think coinswap could work, thoughts? http://imgur.com/a/4esXY 07:44 < waxwing> sorry it doesn't describe the backout process in detail, that's a bit more to write out, obv that needs to be written too. 08:09 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 08:11 -!- rotarydialer [~rotarydia@unaffiliated/rotarydialer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17 -!- rotarydialer [~rotarydia@unaffiliated/rotarydialer] has joined #joinmarket 08:34 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.9.19.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:27 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [] 09:41 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has joined #joinmarket 11:32 -!- arubi is now known as ^arubi 11:56 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:26 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 12:36 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] 12:38 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #joinmarket 12:59 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] 13:01 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@WORKSHOP-CA.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:44 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@WORKSHOP-CA.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has quit [] 13:46 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@WORKSHOP-CA.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #joinmarket 14:16 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 14:25 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 14:34 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@WORKSHOP-CA.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has quit [] 14:54 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@WORKSHOP-CA.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #joinmarket 15:12 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@WORKSHOP-CA.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has quit [] 15:18 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:25 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined #joinmarket 16:17 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 16:24 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 16:31 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 16:41 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23 < belcher> waxwing why is the original coinswap flawed? i wasnt aware of that 17:23 < gmaxwell> 07:44 < waxwing> sorry it doesn't describe the backout process in detail, that's a bit more to write out, obv that needs to be written too. 17:24 < gmaxwell> because there is an extra refund phase I just missed in the descrption. 17:24 < gmaxwell> I think it doesn't matter so long as the first and third person are the same. 17:25 < gmaxwell> In any case, AFAIK the idea works the specific protocol I outlined has some issues. 17:38 < belcher> what issue does this extra refund fix? 17:39 < gmaxwell> at least when persons 1,3 are different there is a potential for holdup in the final release, where the hash preimage isn't given. 17:41 < belcher> so.. if Bob doesn't send X then Alice and Carol will just get their coins back after the timeout..? 17:42 < gmaxwell> man, don't make it go figure it out again. :P I believe the case is that unless an extra refund is created the final release is exposed and alice could pay without carol paying. 17:43 < belcher> alright 17:45 < gmaxwell> one of the problems with these damn multistep protocols is that they're hard to analyize. 17:45 < gmaxwell> We need formalizations of them. 18:44 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 20:19 -!- Guest91590 [~dbmikus@n219079125169.netvigator.com] has joined #joinmarket 20:23 -!- Guest91590 [~dbmikus@n219079125169.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51 < waxwing> gmaxwell: surely it does matter even if alice=bob? the problem was Carol could hold up Alice's coins by publishing TX2 once received (see lines E,F on original coinswap diagram) 21:53 < waxwing> (even if alice != bob i meant there) 21:57 < waxwing> i was hoping someone'd take a look at the version i proposed, but i understand it takes time 22:14 < gmaxwell> waxwing: Sorry that I haven't had a chance, I have been ultra overloaded for a long time now. 22:15 < waxwing> gmaxwell: this, i expected :) 22:15 < waxwing> no worries 22:15 < gmaxwell> Also, I've found that I need to be in the right frame of mine to review things like this, and I find it especially hard to get into that state when things are chaotic. :( 22:16 < waxwing> gmaxwell: yes i'm with you on that. i was surprised just how hard it is to herd the cats in my mind when looking at this kind of protocol thing. 22:16 < waxwing> so need to be peaceful, understood 22:24 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otidttnfbnfyaieo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:28 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 23:30 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 23:37 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 23:53 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 23:58 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 23:59 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xknxtgxhamzwlooz] has joined #joinmarket