--- Day changed Wed Apr 12 2017 00:01 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 00:01 -!- brand0 [brand0@lol.bxroberts.org] has joined #joinmarket 01:09 < belcher> it is possible to put all the DOS risk on the taker 01:10 < belcher> dont know if thats a good idea... but it would avoid the problem of long-running makers finding themselves DOSed until it wastes out all their money 01:13 < belcher> there could also be some kind of identity, perhaps fidelity bond/proof of burn, but then you've got the question of how could a taker prove to other takers that they got DOSed and therefore that the maker deserves to be banned 02:08 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 02:12 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:15 -!- so [~so@unaffiliated/so] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16 -!- 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transactions (2, although they're small ofc), (2) time cost, not inconsiderable, you wait until a fairly distant timeout in some of the cases, (3) privacy cost (a little less clear), if you publish identifiably-coinswap style backout txs. 02:46 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:55 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 03:00 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:00 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 03:04 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 03:06 -!- viasil [~thecodefa@static-68-235-54-17.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:09 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined 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seconds] 08:29 < Michail1> Just a note...... I hadn't receive a join since Mar 31st. confirmed bitcoind was running. confirmed yeild was working and connected (receiving notices of absoffer and reloffer. I thought it was strange that nothing had happened in 11 days. Yesterday, I restarted (the machine), bitcoind starts up automatically, and manually restarted joinmarket (is there a way to do this without a 08:29 < Michail1> password or script it in). 4 hours later, got my first coinjoin in nearly 2 weeks. 08:29 < Michail1> Question - Was this typical and/or a reason that everything should be restarted every few days (cronjobs)? 08:35 -!- MaxSan1 [~one@46.166.165.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:41 < adlai> Michail1: maybe your wallet needed a rescanning? 08:42 < adlai> alternatively, supply and demand 08:46 < Michail1> ahhh, I restarted when I heard someone else was getting coinjoins. 08:47 < Michail1> I didn't do a rescan. Simply restarted the computer, bitcoind, and coinjoin 08:49 < adlai> ahh, you tried turning it off and back on again! that must have fixed it :) 08:49 < adlai> maybe check the log, see if there were any failed transactions? 08:54 < Michail1> grep on what? FAILED ? 08:56 < adlai> start by just looking for !fill 08:57 < adlai> and then see where each one ends. if there are no obvious error messages, it's likely that your counterparty simply didn't continue the protocol 08:57 < Michail1> k. found. It's the working one from 3/28 08:57 < Michail1> Now looking for a fill after 3/31 08:58 < Michail1> [INFO ] Counterparty commitment not accepted, reason: verify_podle failed 08:59 < Michail1> [INFO ] error : Authorisation failed 08:59 < Michail1> 2017-03-31 15:05:09,868 [MCThread ] [DEBUG] >>privmsg on CgAn: nick=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx cmd=error msg=Authorisation failed 08:59 < Michail1> 2017-03-31 15:05:09,868 [MCThread ] [DEBUG] cj peer error TODO handle 09:01 < Michail1> then again, 6 hours later. 09:01 < Michail1> 2017-03-31 23:40:02,692 [MCThread ] [INFO ] Counterparty commitment not accepted, reason: verify_podle failed 09:01 < Michail1> 2017-03-31 23:40:02,692 [MCThread ] [INFO ] error : Authorisation failed 09:01 < Michail1> 2017-03-31 23:40:02,692 [MCThread ] [DEBUG] >>privmsg on CgAn: nick=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx2 cmd=error msg=Authorisation failed 09:01 < Michail1> 2017-03-31 23:40:02,692 [MCThread ] [DEBUG] cj peer error TODO handle 09:02 < zxccxz> I think it's irc servers fault, for some reasons you won't make offers and no takers can see you, so you don't get coinjoins, no idea if you register your nick will it help 09:03 < Michail1> It appears I am seeing many fills and willing to join; however, I keep getting that specific error. I lost out on many fills. 09:03 < Michail1> 2017-04-02 13:24:54,314 [MCThread ] [INFO ] Counterparty commitment not accepted, reason: verify_podle failed 09:03 < Michail1> 2017-04-02 13:24:54,314 [MCThread ] [INFO ] error : Authorisation failed 09:03 < Michail1> 2017-04-02 13:24:54,314 [MCThread ] [DEBUG] >>privmsg on CgAn: nick=nick cmd=error msg=Authorisation failed 09:03 < Michail1> 2017-04-02 13:24:54,314 [MCThread ] [DEBUG] cj peer error TODO handle 09:03 < Michail1> Missing out on about 2 a day. 09:04 < zxccxz> above error is I think when taker irc communication went wrong 09:05 < Michail1> Ha, maybe cause the word Authoization is spelled wrong? heh 09:05 < adlai> Michail1: it's not your fault that takers fail commitments 09:05 < Michail1> ah 09:05 < adlai> it looks like you just had bad luck 09:05 < Michail1> Ergo - I don't gamble. 09:06 < Michail1> (except when I do) 09:06 < zxccxz> nope, it's your bot that won't make offers after irc connections failures 09:06 < zxccxz> offers=announcements 09:08 < Michail1> Just an added note. I had restarted joinmarket several times over the last 2 weeks with no resolve. Yesterday I restarted the machine (and bitcoind). Then a trade finally happened. 09:10 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.74] has joined #joinmarket 09:48 -!- Numin0us_ [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:02 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:02 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:03 < waxwing> Michail1: i noted above: 10:04 < waxwing> btw i'm seeing ~ 10/day with ultra low fees (let's say 0-3000 satoshis), note my max size is relatively low. just a (highly smeared) data point for those interested. 10:04 < waxwing> and btw Authorisation is english spelling :) 10:06 < waxwing> zxccxz: you can't really register your nick as code currently stands; it's randomly generated on startup. it is possible to change that, but you'd have to code it yourself (persist the private key corresponding to the pubkey that is encoded as the nick). 10:07 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:08 < Michail1> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/282621/authorization-vs-authorisation-im-in-some-real-dilemma 10:08 < Michail1> :) 10:08 < Michail1> waxwing - You see 10 joins per day? K. 10:09 < waxwing> yes the first response there is quite right. 's' is british english, 'z' is both. i tend to switch unconsciously but i slightly deliberately don't stop using the spellings I learnt at school :) 10:10 < Michail1> never saw it with an S. Just tried with google and microsoft word - both show me S is mispelled. In any case, I'll keep to the Z. Next word.... Honor. :p 10:11 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12 < waxwing> right, exactly :) spellcheckers are set to one version of english. AmE is the default most of the time. 10:14 < waxwing> belcher: adlai random thought, coinswap fees could be received out of band. 10:14 < waxwing> would be extra complexity of course, but it seems like an interesting extra degree of freedom. 10:16 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:50 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.74] has left #joinmarket [] 10:58 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.74] has joined #joinmarket 11:12 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 11:13 -!- bsm1175321 [~mcelrath@157.130.6.242] has joined #joinmarket 11:14 -!- bsm1175321 is now known as bsm117532 11:38 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 12:26 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 12:26 -!- juscamarena is now known as Guest76166 13:18 < waxwing> fwiw, that was a dumb thought, ignore it :) 13:32 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:51 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@96.47.224.155] has joined #joinmarket 13:57 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@96.47.224.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@157.130.6.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:13 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has joined #joinmarket 15:05 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25 -!- cbits [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:b59f:8712:15a2:8e9a] has joined #joinmarket 15:26 -!- cbits_ [~cbits@2607:f380:a61:650:b59f:8712:15a2:8e9a] has joined #joinmarket 15:27 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 15:28 -!- Guest76166 [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29 -!- Guest76166 [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 15:29 < belcher> waxwing so another 2of2 with the fees that get transferred to the fee-collector? 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