--- Day changed Wed Jun 28 2017 00:07 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:24 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 02:28 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:45 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has joined #joinmarket 02:53 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:37 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.20] has joined #joinmarket 05:32 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:57 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 08:22 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 08:54 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.20] has joined #joinmarket 09:26 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:58 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.20] has joined #joinmarket 10:59 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 11:04 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:44 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:46 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 12:00 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 12:04 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33 < belcher_> so what actually is the cause of this? https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/6jzhto/been_getting_error_not_enough_liquidity_in_the/ is it just cyberguerilla IRC being unreliable? 12:33 < belcher_> if so we should just move 12:34 < belcher_> i wonder if there merit to the idea of having a crowdfunded irc+onion server on a VPS somewhere, send bitcoins to a multisig address, pays for the VPS and the time of whoever manages it 12:35 < belcher_> anyway idea how many hours a month is it to keep an irc + tor server online? 12:36 < belcher_> also, im pretty sure on VPSes you could save an entire server image, so if you run out of money and it gets taken down, if you get money again you can quickly restore from image 13:00 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 13:05 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:51 < Anduck> the problem is ddos and other attacks 13:52 < belcher_> that is also a problem today with cyberguerilla and agora-irc 13:52 < Anduck> i'd vote for online.net dedicated machine 13:52 < Anduck> they got strong connectivity and some ddos protection included 13:52 < belcher_> does more money buy you a VPS that solves the DDOS problem? 13:52 < Anduck> not really 13:52 < Anduck> VPS tier is bad 13:53 < Anduck> better to just spend $50-70 a month for a proper dedi. 13:54 < Anduck> or maybe scaleway machine. they are cheaper, vps/dedi and same (=good) connectivity 13:54 < Anduck> scaleway = online.net sub-company 13:54 < Anduck> https://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-classic 13:55 < belcher_> we could also do a regular (cheaper) VPS then if it gets DDOS'd move to dedicated 13:55 < belcher_> so far nobody has DDOS'd cyberguerilla or agora, they might not attack joinmarket for at least another few years 13:55 < Anduck> BareMetal X64 SSD Cloud Server 13:55 < Anduck> 8 Dedicated x86 64bit Cores 13:55 < Anduck> 32GB Memory 13:55 < Anduck> 50GB SSD Disk 13:55 < Anduck> 1 Flexible public IPv4 13:55 < Anduck> 800Mbit/s Unmetered bandwidth 13:55 < Anduck> €23.99 13:55 < Anduck> Per month 13:55 < Anduck> sorry for long paste. 13:56 < belcher_> how much do you think it costs in labour to keep it all running? 13:56 < Anduck> yeah, that is probably the wisest way 13:56 < Anduck> hmm... 13:56 < belcher_> hours per month maybe 13:56 < belcher_> basically how much do we have to ask the community to donate 13:56 < belcher_> im expecting people who run tumbler.py would be most of the donators 13:56 < Anduck> setup takes maybe a day. depends on how many issues arise. 5 hours max if no problems. 13:57 < Anduck> running it should be quite passive. update once in a while.. maybe 2 hours a month max 13:57 < belcher_> okay 13:57 < Anduck> really hard to estimate these things 13:57 < belcher_> then we get a 3-of-5 multisig with a few trusted people holding the keys 13:57 < belcher_> yeah ofc 13:58 < Anduck> yup 14:01 < Anduck> well, i think starting from a $4/month scaleway VPS is a good deal 14:01 < Anduck> 200 mbit/s unmetered, 2 x86 64bit cores 14:02 < Anduck> only 2G memory but i don't think it'll be a problem. 50GB SSD disk can be used as swap too 14:02 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Quit: (┛◉Д◉)┛┻━┻] 14:02 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 14:02 < belcher_> it only needs to run an irc server and tor 14:04 < belcher_> probably unreal ircd 14:04 < belcher_> or whatever 14:04 < Anduck> yep 14:07 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09 < belcher_> let's see if removing cyberguerilla solves OpenBazaarFan's problem 14:24 -!- zxccxz [6dc7e195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.199.225.149] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41 -!- MaxSan [~one@46.19.137.116] has joined #joinmarket 14:41 -!- MaxSan [~one@46.19.137.116] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:41 -!- MaxSan [~one@46.19.137.116] has joined #joinmarket 15:09 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 15:14 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:19 -!- zxccxz [6dc7e195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.199.225.149] has joined #joinmarket 16:10 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 16:14 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10 -!- coins123 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