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If such a failure occurs, the on-chain taker must pay gas fees to attempt execution of an order that never completes or provides any benefit to the taker, an inefficient use of taker time and money." 02:49 < waxwing> from http://hackingdistributed.com/2017/08/13/cost-of-decent/ 02:49 < waxwing> sound familiar? :) at least with our "griefers" you don't directly pay "gas" (let's say btc tx fees); but you may pay indirectly with commitments 02:50 < waxwing> interesting point, in a 1-1 trade there is no "complete with subset" idea, although disclaimer i am just skimming this doc and know little or nothing of the details 02:51 < waxwing> in the following paragraph they point out how miner collusion can affect that attack analysis quite a bit. kind of interesting. 02:51 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 02:53 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.74] has joined #joinmarket 02:55 < waxwing> hah, so many echoes: "ome Takers may be blind to each others’ orders. This can cause a race condition where multiple Takers compete to fulfill a single order, leading to order failure with some delay and gas costs incurred by all but the winning Takers." 02:56 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:59 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 03:03 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 03:18 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 03:35 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:39 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 03:44 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:49 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 03:54 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 04:03 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:09 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 04:13 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 04:24 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:26 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 05:05 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 05:19 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-109-84-2-146.web.vodafone.de] has joined #joinmarket 05:27 -!- dubi0us_ [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 05:30 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:35 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 05:46 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 05:49 < sturles> Is joinmarket segwit ready? 05:50 -!- dubi0us_ [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:56 < waxwing> sturles: https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/6pqvg2/testing_segwit_implementation_on/ 05:58 < waxwing> might be a good time to repeat my request here for testers. my bots are still running. i've done hundreds of txs by now. 05:58 < waxwing> as of right now i'm fiddling around with some obscure bugs in the joinmarket-qt part, i think the maker/taker scripts side seems to be fine. 06:01 < sturles> Great! 06:02 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:02 < sturles> Btw, is there a BCH version of joinmarket? Would be nice to get my BCH out of there without compromising everything. 06:03 < waxwing> no, there isn't 06:04 < sturles> I guess it would die quickly anyway, as soon as everyone got their BCH out. 06:05 < waxwing> i can give you a short description of how it's possible to get coins out with python, if you're comfortable with that kind of coding. there are of course more sane alternatives involving exporting keys, but none of them are exactly great either. 06:05 < waxwing> if you want that ^ python thing pm me. not broadcasting as it's dangerous. 06:06 < sturles> Getting the coins out is easy. Just putting them in a wallet will compromise my joinmarket anonymity. 06:07 < waxwing> i sent a few individual coins (utxos) to a couple of exchanges by coding a direct send tx. some exchanges allow new deposit address every deposit. 06:07 < waxwing> i mean, shrug, i'm sure there is almost no scenario where this kind of thing doesn't compromise your privacy *somewhat*. 06:08 < waxwing> so not doing it at all definitely has its upside as well as downside :) 06:17 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 06:25 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-109-84-2-146.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:26 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:40 -!- dubi0us [~dubi0us@66-90-165-49.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #joinmarket 06:44 -!- dubi0us 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