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00:00 < waxwing> tryout seems to be gone, well, so today i'll try to reproduce that error for the binary, and for the core dump, just totally mystified really. but he can do all the same stuff via scripts anyway.
00:01 < waxwing> maybe it's something to do with the hacky way of import pyqt4 into a virtualenv. shrug.
00:01 < arubi> I ran the qt thing yesterday using the same hack
00:01 < arubi> it did run, but I didn't have bitcoind setup so not much use out of it
00:01 < waxwing> arubi: got it, thanks.
00:02 < waxwing> when i'm testing on VMs i just quickly download bitcoin and then run it in regtest, seems to be fine for tests
00:02 < arubi> on 16.04.03.  yea I will try a bit too.  rearranging install.sh a bit to not fetch everything from distro repos
00:03 < waxwing> cool, thanks for a PR. i will probably make a 0.3.1 after gathering various fixes (i guess a couple of weeks or something).
00:03 < waxwing> sorry thanks *if* you make a PR :)
00:04 < arubi> oh yes I was planning on that :)
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02:41 < tryout> hi guys any guys can load up segwit makers ? there is no liquidity in the pit . please help me out to try segwit
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02:53 < tryout> hey guys thanks a lot for loading up segwit makers 
02:54 < tryout> i'll be keep tryout so please dont shut it down
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03:04 < waxwing> tryout (duh he's gone again), it'll take a while. if you just want to try a segwit transaction you can do -N 0 .. so there's that.
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03:41 < waxwing> never mind, looks like he did at least one join
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04:24 < waxwing> huh, looks like the mnemonic module requires wordlist/english.txt to exist; which it does in site-packages in the virtualenv, but the binary has no idea where to find it. hmm, i can kinda see why they set it up like that but it borks the binary wallet generation. i missed that because did all binary testing against regtest not mainnet.
04:26 < waxwing> (i thought that testing joinmarket-qt.py for mainnet would be enough to prove it, but this slipped between that gap)
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05:03 < waxwing> ok fixed. what a cluster.
05:41 < arubi> lol.  travis just flagged me for abuse.  I guess it's the bitcoind stuff in .travis.yml
05:44 < waxwing> arubi: yep, happened to me twice. i think they auto-flag bitcoin stuff. send them a message.
05:44 < arubi> right, emailing now
05:46 < waxwing> i needed a second random hexstring, used "deadbefe". trump would approve?
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05:49 < arubi> oh haha I only got it on the second read :)
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07:03 < waxwing> arubi: cool, that looks like good stuff. i'll need to do my best to understand it all. have you tested the install script on different distros at all?
07:04 < arubi> yea, on ubuntu 16.04.03 and my debian testing
07:04 < arubi> maybe worth to add percise to travis, can it check both?  also not sure what's wrong with coveralls, did I bork it somehow?
07:05 < arubi> it links to https://coveralls.io/jobs/28829451 in the log.  all tests seem to have run so not sure what's going on
07:05 < waxwing> coveralls was borked from pretty much day 1 for some mysterious reason
07:05 < waxwing> https://github.com/AdamISZ/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/15
07:06 < arubi> oic     
07:06 < waxwing> i actually had very good coverage at an early point, but it's a way off now, a ton of work to update the tests.
07:06 < waxwing> the most important tests i'm doing are end-to-end tests with tests/ygrunner.py. notice it includes malicious bots too.
07:07 < arubi> oh that's pretty cool :)
07:07 < waxwing> the new twisted arch helps quite a bit in keeping that stuff simpler. one can fairly easily write scripts to run everything in one (although that isn't always the best, it's nice to watch things in separate terminals)
07:08 < arubi> tell me about it
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07:49 < MaxSan> balls
07:49 < MaxSan> i seem to have deleted the sample line on how to sign a message with JM
07:49 < MaxSan> can you remind me please what it is belcher / waxwing
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07:50 < waxwing> MaxSan: i can't remember either, but wallet-tool.py --help should show
07:50 < waxwing> it's probably --signmessage or something, let me check
07:51 < waxwing> oh it's a method python wallet-tool.py walletname signmessage; but let me check does it use -H or something
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07:51 < waxwing> oh yeah doh it says in the help, so `python wallet-tool.py -H path walletname signmessage "message"`
07:52 < MaxSan> ahh awesome thanks very much 
07:52 < MaxSan> il get on this shortly :D
07:52 < waxwing> fun how i totally can't remember anything about code i wrote 2 months ago.
07:52 < MaxSan> i know the feeling :P
07:52 < MaxSan> look back at it and be like
07:52 < MaxSan> jesus who wrote that ! its terrible! :P
07:53 < waxwing> hah yeah that's the worst, when you start trash talking it before you realise it's yours :)
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08:58 < exile> Hello
08:58 < exile> look, i've got my btc stuck in a joinmarket wallet
08:59 < exile> I want to send a third of my btc, and even if I choose -N 0 or -C, it tells me : not enough funds
09:01 < exile> i'm using bitcoin core
09:01 < exile> wallet looks synced
09:02 < waxwing> coins confirmed?
09:02 < exile> the sending is in satoshis yes ?
09:03 < waxwing> yes     
09:03 < exile> yes, long time staying there
09:03 < waxwing> ok; so can you see the coins in wallet-tool.py walletname?
09:03 < exile> yes     
09:03 < exile> sure
09:03 < waxwing> hmm that is interesting
09:03 < waxwing> joinmarket version?
09:03 < exile> 2.2     
09:03 < exile> 0.2.2
09:03 < waxwing> 0.2.2 from joinmarket-org/joinmarket you mean, right
09:03 < waxwing> yeah
09:04 < exile> yep     
09:04 < waxwing> hmm just having a coffee, will have a think
09:04 < exile> ok thanks ^^ 
09:04 < waxwing> give any other info you think is relevant meanwhile :)
09:04 < exile> i'll try to think about that too
09:04 < exile> gonna make me a coffee ^^
09:05 < exile> maybe i'm a bit stupid and i didn't type the right amount in satoshis
09:05 < exile> can you confirm that lets say, 0.005btc = 500,000 satshis
09:05 < exile> 500'000
09:06 < waxwing> consider fees. they are high, especially if tx_fees = 1,2, 3 let's say
09:06 < exile> yep, but i have much more btcs on my wallet
09:07 < waxwing> best you can do really is set tx_fees = 25 or something
09:07 < waxwing> oh hang on; mixdepth. are you setting -m correctly?
09:07 < exile> actually i'm leaving it to default. all my coins are on mixdepth 0
09:07 < waxwing> ok     
09:09 < waxwing> fwiw type the exact command. i expect something like `python sendpayment.py -N 0 walletname 500000 addr`
09:10 < exile> that's it
09:10 < exile> oh hmm wait
09:10 < waxwing> what does `python wallet-tool.py wallet showutoxs` show?
09:10 < exile> haha
09:10 < exile> i put number of coins AFTER wallet name
09:11 < waxwing> oh that gives "not enough funds"?! damn
09:11 < waxwing> i'm sure we have an integer type check
09:12 < exile> hmm actually i think my syntax is the correct one ;)
09:12 < exile> wait, need to make coffe
09:12 < waxwing> yeah it checks for integer
09:13 < waxwing> according to my code read it would throw valueerror on this line if not integer-parseable: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/master/sendpayment.py#L358
09:14 < exile> yes     
09:15 < exile> thats what it does if i put coins value before wallet file
09:16 < waxwing> i thought you were talking about swapping address and amount ; i was talking about that
09:16 < exile> wait, ill be back if it doesn't work, gonna try something
09:16 < exile> thank you
09:16 < waxwing> i read what you said wrong
09:16 < waxwing> ok     
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09:17 < waxwing> did you try showutxos?
09:17 < waxwing> oh gone
09:17 < waxwing> people really hate IRC :)
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09:27 < exile> hi again
09:27 < exile> no it won't work
09:27 < arubi> can you blame them? :P .  trying the script on debian 7, build and install seems to complete successfully, but running tests I'm getting "test.py: error: unrecognized arguments: --cov=jmclient --cov=jmbitcoin --cov=jmbase --cov=jmdaemon --cov-report"  (ignore this for now)
09:27 < exile> to give you an idea, it's like i'm having 1000$ in my wallet and just want to spend 250
09:28 < exile> it tells me i have not enough funds
09:28 < waxwing> exile: does `python wallet-tool.py walletname showutxos` show what you expect?
09:28 < exile> i don't know what to expect from it, but it shows basically nothing
09:28 < waxwing> it should show all unspent outputs in the wallet
09:29 < exile> i must say i don't get all the technicals around btcs
09:29 < waxwing> exile: is this wallet recovered (like, you moved the wallet file and started a new Core instance)
09:29 < exile> no     
09:29 < exile> it's a pretty old wallet now
09:29 < exile> and my core is old too
09:29 < waxwing> well this is weird; so when you do `python wallet-tool.py wallet` you *do* see the amount you expect?
09:29 < exile> i keep it up to date, lauching it for some hours every x days
09:29 < waxwing> but showutxos show all 5 mixdepths empty?
09:30 < exile> i'll retry
09:31 < waxwing> arubi: can you blame who?
09:31 < arubi> joking, folks hating IRC :)
09:32 < exile> yes, showuxtos give me my amount and the adress its on
09:32 < waxwing> arubi: the --cov arguments aren't needed for local tests, but: maybe an old pytest version?
09:32 < arubi> it's probably pretty old, debian 7 stuff
09:32 < waxwing> exile: this is seriously weird then. struggling to imagine what the cause might be.
09:33 < exile> ok     
09:33 < exile> i'm a little tired now
09:33 < waxwing> exile: how many utxos does it show? (count the txids); and what percentage is each, of your total amount?
09:33 < waxwing> (may be irrelevant just looking for ideas)
09:33 < exile> i'll come back round here to get maybe the idea you'll have in the mid time :)
09:33 < waxwing> exile: stay online if you can
09:34 < waxwing> i mean, stay on irc if you can. otherwise i can't tell you later.
09:34 < exile> actually, i think it doesn't really show uxtos...
09:34 < exile> is starts like this
09:34 < exile> requesting detailed wallet history from Bitcoin Core client
09:34 < exile> {     
09:34 < exile> then a big number "45645646546456456465465...."
09:35 < exile> then "value": xxxxxx
09:35 < exile> then "adress": 
09:35 < exile> 54     
09:35 < waxwing> yeah the big number is the txid
09:35 < exile> blabla
09:35 < waxwing> how many of those are there (they're like {bignumber:{various stuff over a few lines}, bignumber2:{..} etc.
09:35 < exile> so, how am I suppose to read this huge number ? ^^
09:36 < exile> only one
09:36 < waxwing> you don't have to; it's a transaction id; what you can do, is look it up in the blockchain explorer
09:36 < exile> only one number and then { } 
09:36 < waxwing> oh only one. hmm there might be some idea there, let me think.
09:37 < exile> ah, i can give you a clue, i tried a sendpayment today, but i fucked up with what a satoshi value was, and i sent a so small payment
09:37 < exile> that it didn't appear in the incoming adress
09:37 < exile> i mean, the dest address
09:37 < exile> but it was taken from my wallet
09:38 < waxwing> exile: well, there's a possible explanation there.
09:38 < waxwing> it could be that that transaction is sent, but is not shown on block explorers. did you check the txid on any explorers?
09:38 < exile> i will now
09:38 < waxwing> i'm guessing you did, but you didn't see it. because the amount was too small and it was not relayed by nodes.
09:38 < waxwing> what exactly was the amount? like just a few satoshis?
09:39 < exile> but still someone took fees for it haha
09:39 < exile> yes     
09:39 < exile> really small
09:39 < waxwing> so it is confirmed?
09:40 < exile> what can I do with this big number ? it's not recognized by blockchain 
09:40 < exile> it never showed on the receiving address
09:40 < exile> the dest address has 0 transactions
09:41 < exile> but the amount, like 0.0005btc was taken from my wallet
09:41 < waxwing> i can only imagine this case: the amount was very small, not allowed; your Core node sees the transaction, so counts it as unconfirmed. then, your joinmarket-wallet shows it as having happened (because it's set to show unconfirmed transactions), but it hasn't actually been relayed and won't get confirmed ever.
09:41 < exile> ever !
09:41 < exile> so... 
09:41 < waxwing> can you edit joinmarket.cfg and set, in the POLICY section, this : `listunspent_args=[1]
09:42 < belcher> gettransaction <the txid> will show if the core node has it
09:42 < waxwing> i could be totally wrong, but if my guess is right you might need to do like `zapwallettxes`
09:42 < waxwing> ah belcher you might have an idea about this.
09:42 < belcher> iv been following all this time :)
09:42 < waxwing> *seems* like a very obscure case we hit here.
09:42 < waxwing> if it's anything like that, it means we need a check condition to make sure the sender doesn't spend dust.
09:43 < belcher> looks like its what you said waxwing, it can be checked with `gettransaction <thetxid>` to see if the node has it when the blockchain explorers dont
09:43 < belcher> yes     
09:43 < exile> ok, i put the line in cfg
09:43 < waxwing> now rerun python wallet-tool.py wallet
09:44 < exile> oooh shit...
09:45 < exile> looks like i did something very bad ^^
09:45 < arubi> if you set 'spendzeroconfchange=0' in bitcoin.conf, then I'm pretty sure core will not list these txids in listunspent.  maybe for the furutre
09:45 < exile> i have balance = 0
09:45 < waxwing> so you see nothing. right, that's expected, don't worry :)
09:45 < exile> ok     
09:45 < waxwing> so see what belcher wrote
09:46 < waxwing> arubi: belcher am i right that `zapwallettxes` is the command here? never used it
09:46 < belcher> umm.. i think, sec ill check
09:46 < arubi> that's right.  you'll need a rescan afterwards
09:46 < arubi> there's also a flag, if to zap metadata or not, not sure if applicable here..
09:47 < waxwing> if metadata includes account name, no it shouldn't be needed
09:47 < arubi> but.. maybe worth to just add spendzeroconfchange=0
09:47 < arubi> if the command to list stuff is listunspent, then it shouldn't be listed if that's set
09:47 < exile> sorry but i get a lttle confused
09:47 < exile> is there anything i should do ?
09:48 < arubi> exile, maybe, we're debating :P
09:48 < waxwing> arubi: listunspent_args being 0 for wallet-tool is a good thing imo, since people don't get confused about not seeing unconfirmed coins.better would be to add conf count to display.
09:48 < exile> ok, thanks :)
09:48 < waxwing> but that's for another day, forget that
09:48 < waxwing> arubi: (we don't spend from unconfirmed tho, unless user explicitly chooses)
09:48 < arubi> ah okay
09:48 < exile> i must say crypto moneys are cryptic for the average :p
09:49 < arubi> so I guess zapwallettxes is it, and rescan
09:49 < waxwing> exile: yes, but you hit a really obscure error condition due to that mistake in amount; we'll fix it so people can't make that mistake in future
09:49 < exile> :)     
09:49 < exile> so, i should rescan my blockchain ?
09:49 < waxwing> arubi: beIcher can you tell him the exact command?
09:50 < waxwing> damn belcher not beIcher 
09:50 < arubi> exile, can you run bitcoind with arguments?
09:50 < belcher> normally you start bitcoin core with bitcoind or bitcoin-qt
09:50 < exile> yep     
09:50 < belcher> now start it with `bitcoind -rescan`
09:50 < belcher> or `bitcoin-qt -rescan`
09:50 < exile> ok     
09:50 < belcher> wait
09:50 < exile> just to know
09:50 < waxwing> oh wait' rescan now, or after?
09:50 < belcher> you have to do zapwallettxes first
09:51 < waxwing> after zapwallettxes right?
09:51 < exile> this is suppose to take a loooong time no ?
09:51 < waxwing> yeah
09:51 < waxwing> yes rescan takes quite a long time
09:51 < belcher> yes, and you need the blockchain on your hard disk
09:51 < exile> like, days ?
09:51 < exile> i have it
09:51 < exile> up to date
09:51 < belcher> no not that long, it takes about 3 hours for me
09:51 < exile> ok nice
09:51 < belcher> and the laptop i use for bitcoin is not very good so
09:51 < arubi> then it's `bitcoind -zapwallettxes=1`
09:51 < exile> so, how do I do zapwallettxes ?
09:51 < arubi> ^     
09:52 < exile> ah ok
09:52 < arubi> it'll start up and rescan, let if finish
09:52 < arubi> after that, you start up normally with just `bitcoind`
09:52 < arubi> (don't add the flag again that is)
09:52 < exile> so I won't have to restart it with rescan
09:52 < exile> yes, okay yeah i'm used to add flags
09:52 < arubi> no, it'll rescan on its own with that zapwallet falg
09:52 < arubi> nice :)
09:53 < exile> i add -dbcache and -par differently if I stay on computer or let it its job alone
09:53 < waxwing> huh, that's not what i would have expected; what does it zap? just anything unconfirmed?
09:54 < belcher> it just deletes all the transaction in your wallet i think, rescan finds them again
09:54 < arubi> anything
09:54 < arubi> right
09:54 < waxwing> oh i see. so effectively anything unconfirmed?
09:54 < arubi> actually
09:54 < arubi> oh yea, no.  zapwallettxes it is
09:55 < exile> so, you agree I go with -zapwallettxes=1
09:55 < arubi> yea, everything, confirmed, unconfirmed
09:55 < waxwing> yeah but i mean, because it rescans, it rediscovers all the confirmed, right
09:55 < arubi> there's one thing to try
09:55 < arubi> right
09:55 < arubi> or maybe not, nevermind.  I'll try it here on regtest
09:56 < exile> ok, so i'm gonna close everything and give it all RAM and cpus
09:56 < exile> i'll come back with news
09:56 < exile> thanks for the help !
09:56 < arubi> you don't have to set -par.  it'll use the stuff it can on its own
09:56 < arubi> but do set dbcache
09:56 < exile> yep     
09:57 < exile> i was planning just giving it dbcache
09:57 < arubi> cool
09:57 < waxwing> so if you have a lot of RAM, what's the best setting? 4GB?
09:57 < arubi> 6gb was the maximum useful value
09:57 < exile> when i go crazy i put 3096 ^^ i only have 4
09:57 < arubi> I guess 6gb still
09:57 < exile> when i need to work i put 256
09:57 < arubi> hehe yea 4 vs 8 makes a huge difference there
09:58 < exile> ok, thank you, i hope this works
09:58 < arubi> good luck
09:58 < exile> oh, just one question
09:58 < arubi> waxwing, you were right, removing the --cov stuff made the tests run on deb 7.  gonna test some centos stuff soon
09:59 < exile> can i copy/paste all the files of bitcoin core to another computer ?
09:59 < exile> so it doesn't take days to download the chain
09:59 < waxwing> exile: you can
09:59 < exile> supa
09:59 < waxwing> have to copy everything though (well, basically)
10:00 < exile> ok, it's on a custom directory so it should be ok
10:00 < exile> thank you very much
10:00 < waxwing> yw     
10:00 < exile> i gonna rescan and come back to give you news
10:00 < waxwing> you never did say what amount you entered?
10:00 < exile> maybe tomorrow
10:00 < waxwing> when you got it wrong. was it like 100 or something?
10:00 < exile> oh hmm, wait
10:00 < belcher> exile you have to switch off bitcoind first
10:01 < belcher> then copy the files
10:01 < waxwing> oh, heh, true :)
10:01 < exile> 460000 i think
10:02 < waxwing> oh? huh, that is way above dust.
10:02 < belcher> maybe its just unconfirmed because of the high demand for block size
10:02 < waxwing> if the fee was remotely sensible that should have been fine.
10:02 < exile> well, looks like it all went in fees... i dont know
10:02 < belcher> did we check that
10:02 < waxwing> belcher: he's saying that block explorers aren't showing it.
10:02 < exile> it must be 2 hours now
10:03 < exile> and dest address shows 0 transactions
10:03 < waxwing> i started down this line of reasoning because he said he entered a crazy low amount. but 460000 is not crazy low.
10:03 < exile> it's not
10:03 < waxwing> i thought maybe he entered btc rather than satoshis (although come to think of it that doesn't make sense, would have to be 1 at least...)
10:04 < exile> can I enter the amount in btc ?
10:04 < waxwing> exile: maybe you can do a gettransaction <txid> with bitcoin-cli and see what amount it was?
10:04 < exile> like, not an int but a float ?
10:04 < waxwing> no it will throw valueerror
10:04 < waxwing> i.e. it will crash before doing anything
10:04 < waxwing> bitcoin-cli gettransaction <txid> true
10:05 < arubi> block explorers aren't showing the txids?
10:05 < waxwing> or bitcoin-cli gettransaction <txid> 1 (if bitcoin core < 0.14.0)
10:05 < exile> it gives me that :
10:05 < exile> "amount": 0.00000000,
10:05 < exile>   "confirmations": 0,
10:05 < exile>   "trusted": false,
10:05 < arubi> huh     
10:05 < arubi> amount 0?
10:05 < waxwing> that can be misleading
10:05 < exile> yeah... but my command line history shows 460000
10:05 < waxwing> i forgot what's the rpc to show the serialized form of the tx
10:06 < belcher> maybe the coinjoin amount is 460000 but the change amount was dust
10:06 < arubi> gettransaction has the hex
10:06 < waxwing> oh so decoderawtransaction on that?
10:06 < arubi> yea     
10:06 < belcher> gettransaction shows it doesnt it?
10:06 < arubi> it shows it in some other format
10:06 < exile> i have a big hex yes
10:06 < exile> lol     
10:06 < waxwing> right, so exile : take the long hex string at the end of what you just saw, and do decoderawtransaction on it
10:06 < arubi> kinda like a receipt
10:06 < waxwing> it should show a detailed view of the transaction, with the output amounts
10:07 < exile> "value": 0.00460000,
10:07 < waxwing> ok so it's probably 460000. wait, i forgot where we are now :)
10:07 < waxwing> yep     
10:07 < waxwing> what's the fee?
10:08 < exile> idn     
10:08 < exile> idk     
10:08 < waxwing> ok here's probably the deal (forget zapwallettxes and whatnot): just set `listunspent_args = [0]` in joinmarket.cfg, and go back to do the tranasction you wanted to in the first place.
10:08 < exile> actually there's a lot of info
10:08 < waxwing> that will let you spend unconfirmed coins.
10:09 < waxwing> sorry about this massive sidetrack, i just assumed when you said the amount was crazy low that you'd entered something like "25" or whatever :)
10:10 < waxwing> but wait, i forgot: this is *not* showing on block explorers?
10:10 < exile> no     
10:10 < waxwing> agh i can't keep all the variables right in my head :)
10:10 < waxwing> in that case, we really need to know the fee
10:10 < exile> and the problem is : I have enough coins in my wallet, but it won't let me spend anymore
10:10 < arubi> I think confirmations = 0 means that it isn't double spent yet.  afaik that would be -1
10:11 < waxwing> as well as the 460000 output, are there any others? usually a change output. is it a normal sized amount?
10:11 < exile> no there are many outputs and some are very high !
10:11 < exile> like 2btc
10:11 < arubi> just one question, in the 'decoderawtransaction' output, how many inputs are there?
10:12 < waxwing> right, np, it's a coinjoin
10:12 < exile> 9     
10:12 < exile> or 10
10:12 < arubi> can you grab one and check a block explorer, see if it's spent?
10:12 < exile> it counts from 0
10:12 < arubi> maybe one or two
10:12 < exile> blockchain.info ?
10:12 < arubi> yea that's fine
10:12 < exile> then, what do i do ?
10:13 < waxwing> arubi: wouldn't it show -1 if it had a conflict?
10:13 < arubi> get a txid from the inputs, search for it
10:13 < waxwing> actually i'm not sure exactly how that works with dependencies
10:13 < arubi> not sure..  yea
10:13 < waxwing> i'd still like to know the fee.
10:13 < arubi> exile, if you find it, check if the output has been spent anywhere or not.  afaik it should say "unspent"
10:13 < arubi> yea sounds like a big tx
10:14 < waxwing> exile: were you running as a maker?
10:14 < exile> no     
10:14 < waxwing> ok, so if you were a taker then you were setting the fee. that's good.
10:14 < exile> there are no txid in this output
10:14 < exile> just short "hex" 
10:15 < exile> oh, just found one
10:15 < exile> hmmmm
10:15 < exile> looks like exactly all my amount
10:15 < exile> off all my wallet
10:15 < exile> spent to another address
10:16 < arubi> not sure what you mean exactly, did you take one of the txids from the inputs?
10:17 < exile> yep     
10:17 < exile> i grepped and find four
10:17 < exile> 5 actually
10:17 < arubi> grepped what exactly?  searching for the txid should land you in the input's transaction
10:17 < arubi> that should have an output that should be marked "unspent"
10:18 < exile> decoderawtransaction | grep txid
10:18 < arubi> don't do that, the first result is the actual txid of the transaction you're decoding
10:19 < arubi> you can look at the 2nd result onwards.  best if you find one that /isn't/ yours
10:19 < exile> yeah, the first actually doesn't work on block chain
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10:19 < waxwing> exile: to get the fee, look at the output of "gettransaction" that you did first. it's there.
10:19 < exile> others are bigger amounts with many confirmations
10:19 < arubi> okay, are they spent or not?  the address on the right should have a label "unspent" or "spent"
10:19 < exile> all are spent
10:20 < exile> the last one
10:20 < exile> looks like the previous amount i had in my wallet
10:20 < arubi> well that's it then, at least if I think you did hwhat I mean
10:20 < exile> like it was given to another address
10:20 < exile> but i can't find no fee in those two bitcoin-cli commands
10:20 < waxwing> the fee is the second entry in the output of gettransaction
10:21 < arubi> I think there might be a fee in the gettransaction thing
10:21 < arubi> right
10:21 < exile> ah yeah
10:21 < exile> but this value shows unspent :)
10:21 < exile> no, sorry, in gettransaction i dont see a fee value
10:22 < exile> a fee field
10:22 < waxwing> at the moment, i first just want to know what the fee is on the transaction you sent that had the output of 460000 that's unconfirmed.
10:22 < waxwing>  ~/bitcoin/bitcoin-0.14.1/bin/bitcoin-cli -regtest -rpcpassword=123456abcdef gettransaction 9feb8011bac7b9adfb1f13923a28516c50f440c8a7946642066423ae6151f6d4
10:22 < waxwing> {     
10:22 < waxwing>   "amount": -2.00000000,
10:22 < waxwing>   "fee": -0.00004480,
10:22 < waxwing>   "confirmations": 39,
10:22 < arubi> is that one yours or a watched tx?
10:22 < waxwing> (from my regtest)
10:22 < waxwing> that one ^ is from a watchOnly address (joinmarket account)
10:23 < arubi> ah, gtk
10:24 < exile> there's not this field, sorry
10:24 < waxwing> huh. what's your bitcoin version? that's from 0.14.1
10:24 < waxwing> so it has amount and confirmations field but not fee? i wonder what's going on.
10:24 < exile> 0.13.1
10:25 < exile> compiled some months ago
10:26 < exile> ok i tried to send the payment again
10:26 < exile> with right amount
10:26 < exile> it tells me problem with uxtos
10:26 < exile> Cannot construct transaction, failed to generate commitment, shutting down. Please read commitments_debug.txt
10:26 < waxwing> did you use -N 0 ?
10:26 < exile> nope
10:27 < exile> it may work if i do right ?
10:27 < waxwing> better not to do that yet. we still don't know what's wrong.
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10:27 < waxwing> seems highly unlikely, but at the moment i still don't know why block explorers are not showing that transaction.
10:27 < waxwing> my best guess was, it was some unacceptable fee or dust output.
10:27 < exile> yes     
10:27 < exile> should i recompile last version of bitcoin ?
10:28 < waxwing> people can send things with 1 sat/byte but i'm not sure if you can get a tx relayed with 0 fee or whatever.
10:28 < exile> (and will it accept my already on disk blockchain data?)
10:28 < waxwing> no i really am completely at a loss why your gettransaction is not showing fee as above ^
10:28 < waxwing> yes you can install a new version and read the same blockchain
10:28 < waxwing> but no need to do that right now
10:28 < exile> cool
10:28 < exile> sorry guys, i really appreciate you trying to help me
10:29 < exile> but i'm getting tired
10:29 < waxwing> look at the output here https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference#gettransaction <-- fee is included in result, right after 'amount'
10:29 < exile> yesterday spent all day on a lib compilation that didn't want to work
10:29 < waxwing> are you sure you don't see output like above?
10:29 < waxwing> is there anything in the 'walletconflicts' section in the output?
10:30 < waxwing> complete guess, unlikely
10:30 < exile> walletconflicts is there but empty
10:30 < waxwing> right, that's norma;
10:30 < waxwing> l     
10:31 < exile> {     
10:31 < exile>   "amount": 0.00000000,
10:31 < exile>   "confirmations": 0,
10:31 < exile>   "trusted": false,
10:31 < exile>   "txid": "xxx",
10:31 < exile>   "walletconflicts": [
10:31 < exile>   ],
10:31 < exile>   "time": 1503761222,
10:31 < exile>   "timereceived": 1503761222,
10:31 < exile>   "bip125-replaceable": "no",
10:31 < exile>   "details": [
10:31 < exile>   ],
10:31 < waxwing> wow that's crazy. i just ran it with 0.13.1 and got the "fee" field again.
10:31 < waxwing> it must be that it doesn't show the fee for some particular class of transaction, but no idea what that is
10:32 < arubi> in my 0.13.1 mast fork there's no fee field
10:33 < waxwing> arubi: oh, wow. well that's annoying. then you'd have to back-reference all the inputs, find the amounts and subtract from the outputs.
10:33 < waxwing> but otherwise what could cause the txid to not show up anywhere?
10:34 < arubi> double spend unknown to the wallet, very low fee (unlikely really..)
10:34 < waxwing> how about: you do the tx, you broadcast, but there's a network level failure?
10:34 < exile> the fact that the transaction shows unspent on blockchain, what does that mean ?
10:34 < waxwing> you see it on blockchain.info/block explorer? i thought you didn't.
10:35 < arubi> oh sure, if it wasn't relayed at all..  you can sendrawtransaction right now with the hex
10:35 < arubi> the inputs are I think
10:35 < waxwing> ok, the inputs.
10:35 < waxwing> yeah do sendrawtransaction for the hell of it
10:36 < exile> what you mean please ?
10:36 < arubi> take the hex from gettransaction and plug it into `sendrawtransaction <hex>`
10:36 < arubi> I swear I can type sendrawtransaction like a pro by now
10:36 < waxwing> i mean, if this tx (with 460000 output) is not showing up on blockexplorers, try sendrawtransaction <hex> again, now, just in case there was a network failure meaning it didn't get out.
10:36 < exile> the biiig hex ?
10:36 < arubi> yea     
10:37 < arubi> it should return a small 32 byte hex
10:37 < waxwing> yeah the "hex" field shown in `gettransaction` output.
10:37 < exile> it just shows the small hex
10:37 < exile> doesn't say anything more
10:38 < arubi> try to find that on explorers
10:38 < arubi> use tor :)
10:38 < arubi> bc.i has a HS
10:38 < exile> blockchain can't find it
10:38 < waxwing> yeah but did that ever work? i gave up trying +1 year ago.
10:38 < arubi> worked a couple days ago
10:39 < arubi> exile, try blockcypher, or some other one
10:40 < exile> oh, and the fact that all my bitcoins connexion are "inbound: false" can have something to do with it ?
10:40 < arubi> no     
10:40 < arubi> there's really no way it didn't relay anywhere, even if it's a small fee
10:40 < exile> ok     
10:40 < exile> blockcypher
10:40 < arubi> so maybe another one has it
10:40 < exile> tells me it was doublespent
10:41 < arubi> was?  is the other one confirmed?
10:41 < exile> the other one ? xD
10:41 < arubi> the double spent one
10:41 < exile> too much hex numbers goind around my head now
10:41 < arubi> it should give a link to the double spend in that red square
10:41 < exile> the other one gives server error 500 xD
10:41 < waxwing> lol     
10:41 < arubi> ..     
10:41 < waxwing> you broke the blockchain!
10:42 < exile> Yeah !
10:42 < arubi> maybe give waxwing one of the input txids
10:42 < exile> now it works
10:42 < exile> the link
10:42 < arubi> okay..
10:42 < arubi> is that one confirmed?
10:43 < exile> no     
10:43 < exile> both show warning
10:43 < exile> double spent
10:43 < exile> 0/6 confirms
10:43 < arubi> and how much is the fees on both?
10:43 < exile> i mean
10:43 < arubi> the newer one first
10:43 < exile> the second one is when i tried again i think
10:44 < exile> i dunno
10:44 < waxwing> yeah i'm struggling to figure it out, but it might be you have to wait for 1 of them to confirm.
10:44 < exile> listen, i'm really tired 
10:44 < exile> isn't there just a way i can get the other amount 
10:44 < exile> that i still have in my wallet
10:44 < exile> out     
10:44 < exile> and on another wallet ?
10:45 < exile> cause joinmarket won't let me spend anything anymore
10:46 < exile> the old transaction is 7hours old and has 0 confirmations
10:46 < arubi> not sure how there could be double spends there when both should be the same tx
10:47 < exile> ah and the amount of the first transaction is very high !
10:47 < exile> 0.6btc
10:47 < arubi> maybe if one of the inputs is double spent
10:47 < exile> more than i have ^^ 
10:47 < arubi> but then both are unconfirmed?
10:47 < exile> the second is 9 btc
10:47 < exile> so actually it's not me ^^
10:47 < arubi> exile, disregard the amounts there
10:47 < exile> yeah ok
10:47 < waxwing> the older one has a low fee, but since not RBF i believe it will take precedence right
10:48 < exile> it's because the join
10:48 < arubi> if it dropped or never relayed, then the new one might go through
10:48 < waxwing> so i believe you have to wait, and quite a long time most likely
10:48 < exile> is there no way i can move the money that i HAVE on another wallet ?
10:48 < exile> ok, can you give me an aprox time ?
10:49 < exile> 1 day, 1 week, 1 month ?
10:49 < waxwing> hmm looks like the old low fee one is getting dropped
10:49 < waxwing> check the other one exile (the one that *you* didn't broadcast); seems to have disappeared.
10:50 < exile> yep     
10:50 < arubi> exile, if you could just paste the "fee" field from the pages on blockcypher, it might give is more idea
10:50 < exile> disapearead
10:51 < exile> 0.00506471 BTC
10:51 < arubi> and the other one?
10:51 < waxwing> it's about 1kB (they both are)
10:51 < exile> link dead
10:51 < arubi> yea     
10:51 < waxwing> unfortunately block explorers are not at all reliable in this situation
10:51 < arubi> link dead and the first still shows 0 confirms?
10:52 < waxwing> the other one (he didn't send) has 29 sat/byte
10:52 < waxwing> neither confirmed
10:52 < arubi> oh okay
10:52 < waxwing> i just tried smartbits and it shows the low fee one, not the high fee one
10:52 < arubi> relay with them?
10:52 < waxwing> i guess because of relay policies you'll get all kinds of rubbish here
10:52 < arubi> I can relay, my node doesn't care :P
10:53 < arubi> but -- privacy etc.
10:53 < waxwing> i can't find a pushtx page on smartbits
10:53 < arubi> it's in the api area
10:53 < arubi> sec, lemme see
10:54 < arubi> https://www.smartbit.com.au/api , ctrl+f "push transaction"
10:54 < arubi> the parameters tab lets you enter hex
10:55 < waxwing> yeah. but now i can't get the raw hex. exile could do it but i don't know if there's a point.
10:55 < arubi> can the 12 word seed work on some bip44 wallet?  probably not because of mixdepth stuff
10:56 < waxwing> arubi: no, right, bip44. new version is bip49 which should be compatible with trezor segwit wallet.
10:56 < arubi> I mean, you can probably coerce electrum to do that, but it's messy
10:56 < waxwing> well true you could patch electrum for it, but that's a mess. i wouldn't try.
10:56 < arubi> oh that's awesome
10:56 < arubi> you can set the "account" index at recovery
10:57 < arubi> but then you need a wallet for each account index
10:57 < waxwing> you mean in electrum?
10:57 < arubi> yea     
10:57 < waxwing> i haven't looked into it but i doubt it (if you're talking about current JM wallets)
10:58 < arubi> is the 12 word seed a bip39 seed?
10:58 < waxwing> current version is old electrum algo; new version is bip39
10:58 < arubi> ohh     
10:58 < arubi> well, get the hex, get your output and cpfp
10:59 < arubi> not easy, but should work
10:59 < waxwing> sorry i don't get the context
10:59 < exile> (i don't understand sh*t here ^^)
10:59 < waxwing> oh you mean to solve this problem of exile 
10:59 < arubi> yea     
10:59 < arubi> exile, do you have other inputs in another wallet that you can use?
11:00 < exile> no     
11:01 < exile> inputs, you mean funds ?
11:01 < arubi> yea, that's what I meant
11:01 < arubi> not sure what's there to do but cpfp or double spend with a higher fee
11:01 < arubi> well, or wait
11:02 < exile> anyway, there musn't be a big loss for me
11:03 < exile> because the transaction i did was ridiculously small
11:03 < exile> and then
11:03 < exile> when i wanted to do the real one
11:03 < arubi> if there's a friendly miner around, help us, you're our only hope
11:03 < exile> it tells me i have insuficient funds
11:03 < arubi> well zapwallettxes might give you a second chance, we haven't tried that yet
11:04 < waxwing> exile: your outputs are in two different conflicted transactions; one of them will confirm, then you'll have your coins available.
11:04 < waxwing> just trying to give the context here.
11:04 < arubi> yea, eventually that will happen for sure
11:05 < exile> ok, but those that mean, the second payment can go out ?
11:05 < arubi> exile, it doesn't matter which goes.  both pay to you
11:05 < exile> that may be a problem
11:05 < waxwing> only one can happen.
11:05 < exile> ah, they pay to me ? 
11:05 < arubi> well you sent it, it's paid to wherever you sent it
11:05 < waxwing> that's the key property of the blockchain; it can't make a double payment.
11:05 < exile> yeah but the thing is
11:06 < exile> the address i sent the second one to
11:06 < exile> may expire
11:06 < exile> and not be mine 
11:06 < exile> after some time
11:06 < exile> so it will receive the coins
11:06 < arubi> what does that mean?
11:06 < exile> it means on some software you have addresses attached to one account
11:06 < exile> to make payments
11:06 < exile> and then
11:07 < exile> you're not suppose to use this address anymore
11:07 < exile> it could be attached to another account
11:07 < exile> so if i make a payment with another wallet in the mean time
11:07 < arubi> still not sure what that means, anyway, if that one goes through, talk to that service
11:07 < exile> if i don't want to wait and buy coins again
11:07 < arubi> there's nothing anybody can do now that it's relayed
11:07 < exile> yep     
11:09 < exile> we will see
11:09 < exile> as long as I can use the rest of my wallet i'll be happy ^^
11:09 < exile> thank you anyway for taking the matter seriously
11:09 < exile> i can see you're into the stuff you developped :)
11:10 < waxwing> unfortunately 'the rest of' doesn't work here the way it does in ordinary finance
11:10 < waxwing> if you have 1 btc in *1* output, it is *completely* consumed in a payment; you can't spend 0.1 out of it and have the other 0.9 "left behind"; the tx creates a change output
11:12 < exile> okay...
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11:19 < exile> actually this sentence explains a lot about the inner functonning of bitcoins :)
11:22 < waxwing> yeah it's very counterintuitive. it helps to realize: really "coins" are "utxos"(unspent tranasction outputs); "bitcoins" are just an accounting thing, they don't exist as entities.
11:23 < waxwing> a transaction takes a set of those "coins" (utxos) , destroys them all, and creates a new set, where the sum of the new output values is the same as the sum of the old output values, minus a fee.
11:24 < waxwing> well not so much "destroys" as "marks them as spent and embeds the spending into the blockchain record".
11:32 < exile> i like the principle of [i dont remember the name] of this money that the value is made of really useful work in mathmatics
11:33 < exile> anyway, back to btc
11:33 < exile> it was a surprise for me
11:33 < exile> when I so, thanks to this software
11:33 < exile> that we have a "limit"
11:33 < exile> with utxos
11:33 < exile> like, we can't make as much transactions as we want
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12:48 < waxwing> today's ridiculous pit entry:
12:48 < waxwing> <HpHelp> Any phone experts here?
12:48 < waxwing> <HpHelp> im without a phone since 3 weeks now and my credit is very limited
12:48 < waxwing> <HpHelp> needed some guide?
12:56 < exile> reminds me I have to get a new phone
12:57 < exile> i'm doing -zapwallettxes=1 
12:57 < exile> i'll tell you if there's some result
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14:03 < nkuttler> i have owned several phones. i guess that makes me an expert?
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16:11 < delinquentme> How active is this project
16:11 < delinquentme> I just saw the reddit post on anoning btc transactions
16:13 < gmaxwell> pretty active.
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23:24 < exile> Hello again people
23:26 < exile> looks like my problem is still unresolved and my "remaining" btcs are marked as "used"
23:42 < waxwing> exile: in what sense unresolved?
23:43 < waxwing> re: "marked as used": that refers to the address being used, not the coins.
23:44 < exile> ah ?
23:44 < exile> wait
23:45 < exile> oh yeah cool !
23:45 < exile> yeah
23:45 < exile> they show as balance again
23:46 < exile> even when I don't add the line you told me in the cfg
23:46 < waxwing> yes, it'll show either way now
23:46 < exile> okayy do that mean they are mine again ? ^^
23:47 < waxwing> of course
23:47 < exile> woooof
23:47 < exile> that's a relief :)
23:48 < waxwing> they were always yours.
23:48 < exile> yeeaaah but you know what I mean ^^
23:48 < waxwing> you just encountered a rare situation where they were in a "conflicted" state; it probably was possible to spend yesterday but it was quite a headache figuring it out.
23:48 < exile> should I try to send them somewhere ?
23:49 < waxwing> as you wish; let us know if it doesn't work for some reason.
23:49 < exile> i'm scared now ^^
23:49 < exile> i try with -N 0 no ?
23:50 < exile> if i put amount 0 it send everything right ?
23:50 < waxwing> should be fine; python sendpayment.py -N 0 walletname amount-in-satoshis address
23:50 < waxwing> yes 0 is for everything
23:50 < exile> what's the smallest amount you would advice for a test ?
23:50 < waxwing> btw in the new version i've updated it so it actually shows the destination address and amount before they (y/n) prompt there.
23:51 < exile> new version of joinmarket ?
23:51 < waxwing> honestly if it was me i wouldn't bother with a test, but up to you.
23:51 < waxwing> off for a bit
23:52 < exile> ok ok
23:52 < exile> bye :)