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02:38 < waxwing> moved to https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver as per discussion a few days back. any pre-existing links get redirected automatically so shouldn't cause any problems.
02:40 < waxwing> hardtryer, noted the issue you raised with old seed causing aberrant behaviour. my best guess is the unrecognized word is causing a crash, meaning you'd have to restart to make it work (seems to fit your symptoms). going to do a couple of other things, then i'll try to reproduce that, and fix as necessary.
02:41 < waxwing> however it sounded like it worked fine with a correct seedphrase, so not sure why you didn't go further and try to do a transaction. (following the steps in the usage guide).
02:52 < hardtryer> it's because I always trying to recover my old seed first
02:53 < hardtryer> let me try transaction now
02:53 < hardtryer> I thinked that in windows it's not possible
02:55 < hardtryer> Tommorow I tryed to install all in linux, but as you tell me your never used Qt, but only daemon, I try to launch daemon few times, but it's automaticaly closed. Qt work fine. So I find somewhere that it can be fixed with -reindex, so now wait to reindex testnet. Wondering, how long it will takes?
03:07 < waxwing> what do you mean by 'i tried to launch daemon a few times' .. which daemon/program do you mean? oh, i guess you mean bitcoin daemon right.
03:07 < waxwing> are you saying that if you run bitcoind.exe -testnet it closes? does it give an error?
03:08 < hardtryer> no any error
03:08 < hardtryer> just try bitcoin-cli and first it say that need to wait starting, than say that daemon is not started
03:08 < hardtryer> right
03:09 < hardtryer> bitcoind -daemon -testnet, something like this
03:10 < hardtryer> and about windows. Don't know why, but I use new type seed, which work yesterday, recover wallet and load it from new files... so now it again stay about 10 minutes with status reading wallet from blockchain...
03:11 < hardtryer> Don't know is important or not, but bitcoin-qt in windows show warning: unknow new rules activated (versionbit 28)
03:22 < gmaxwell> hardtryer: you are running testnet
03:23 < gmaxwell> oh you intended to be.
03:23 < gmaxwell> thats fine, bip28 is the testdummy bit.
03:31 < hardtryer> ok     
03:31 < hardtryer> so now qt don't work again
03:32 < hardtryer> In Windows. JoinMarket-Qt. what I can do to find problem?
03:32 < waxwing> hardtryer, "don't work" doesn't tell me much.
03:32 < hardtryer> Yes     
03:33 < hardtryer> So what I need to look and tell you?
03:33 < hardtryer> It's as yesterday
03:33 < hardtryer> statue 'reading wallet from blockchain...'
03:33 < hardtryer> when I trying to load wallet from file
03:34 < waxwing> start the application, then make a wallet using wallet->generate (don't do anything else first). does it get stuck there?
03:35 < hardtryer> ok making
03:38 < hardtryer> just launched
03:38 < hardtryer> so after generate it automatically load this wallet? No need to mannualy load?
03:39 < hardtryer> now its reading wallet from blockchain. So waiting
03:39 < hardtryer> 13:39 my local time, lets wait 5 minute
03:40 < waxwing> no need, if it doesn't work in a few seconds, it won't.
03:40 < waxwing> and no error messages in console? what's the last message(s) in the console?
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03:41 < waxwing> oh btw is the version of bitcoin the latest (0.14+)? i think it was, just double checking
03:41 < hardtryer> I launched by double click. Lets look in coinjoins tab
03:41 < hardtryer> v 0.14.2
03:41 < waxwing> oh i guess you can't check if it's still frozen right
03:42 < waxwing> yeah that's a downside of it not being console based
03:42 < hardtryer> the last in console is DEBUG:rpc:listaddressgroupings[]
03:42 < hardtryer> I can launch from console, no problem
03:42 < waxwing> interesting, i'm quite unsure what might cause that. do you see anything interesting in bitcoin's debug.log file?
03:43 < hardtryer> settings: no_daemon =0, use_ssl =false
03:43 < waxwing> i'm not sure where that is on windows, i think like appdir/.bitcoin/testnet/debug.log or something similar? anyone know?
03:43 < hardtryer> lookin debug file
03:43 < waxwing> yeah those daemon settings should be left alone, actually they aren't even being used at all while you're only syncing the wallet.
03:43 < waxwing> (they don't refer to the bitcoin daemon)
03:47 < hardtryer> https://imgur.com/txrqTyL
03:47 < hardtryer> this is log
03:47 < hardtryer> oh     
03:47 < waxwing> hardtryer, if i remember right, you did get a wallet to sync once (yesterday). did you see '2' addresses in the wallet list?
03:48 < hardtryer> I open it from gui
03:48 < hardtryer> don't remember about '2' in addresses
03:48 < hardtryer> yes, your right, yesterday it worked one time
03:49 < waxwing> did you see the addresses at all?
03:49 < waxwing> you may not have done if you didn't click the 'expand' widgets i guess.
03:49 < hardtryer> yes, there a lot of addresses, as usual when it works
03:49 < waxwing> yeah i don't know what those socket close messages are in your log
03:49 < hardtryer> no, I make expand. There are all as normal
03:49 < waxwing> so they should have all started with '2'
03:50 < waxwing> oh i guess the socket close messages are nothing, they're remote hosts on the network.
03:50 < hardtryer> Debug file was in "C:\users\username\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin\testnet3
03:51 < waxwing> i'm working on some other thing right now; feel free to add more info if you like.
03:51 < hardtryer> ok, let me try from console
03:51 < hardtryer> I'm confused that it don't work
03:52 < hardtryer> I haven't changed anything, just closed all programs and launched again
03:52 < hardtryer> even haven't restarted vps
03:54 < hardtryer> launched and try to load wallet from file. Not I can't move it, when I tryes it freezes and main status bar are 'not responding'
03:54 < hardtryer> yep     
03:54 < hardtryer> loaded successfull
03:55 < hardtryer> all addresses are starting from 2
03:55 < hardtryer> looks like all is fine
03:55 < waxwing> hmm. how long did it take before the loading finished?
03:55 < hardtryer> now try to put here some testnet's BTC
03:55 < hardtryer> it take about 1-2 minutes
03:55 < waxwing> it was always very quick for me, but i wonder if that depends on some details of environment.
03:56 < hardtryer> no more than 2 minutes
03:56 < waxwing> yes. that's why i thought, meh, it's not urgent to put it into a TaskThread so that it doesn't freeze. but if it's slow for some people, then it is "urgent".
03:57 < waxwing> yeah not acceptable user experience to have the gui freeze up :) that's already fixed for the private key export screen, just .. too many other things to do.
03:57 < hardtryer> https://imgur.com/W4cdxl3 - this is bitcoin's log when loaded normal
03:57 < waxwing> i thought the load (in that particular mode) is basically instant.
03:58 < hardtryer> I think I understood
03:58 < waxwing> i really have to get on with something
04:00 < hardtryer> When you choice 'Generate' and copyed seed, you need to not only make status 'loading wallet...' but also block windows. Cause I haven't noticed, and always thinked that after generate wallet you need to load it from meny
04:00 < hardtryer> menu
04:00 < hardtryer> so I loaded not complete wallet, and maybe this broke the programm
04:09 < hardtryer> I sended money, choice resync from right button menu, and now it show me 'reading wallet from blockchain...' status again. It passes more than 5 minutes
04:10 < hardtryer> maybe there is some problems with my bitcoin core communiation?
04:10 < hardtryer> looks like it's hard to read wallet from blockcahin
04:11 < hardtryer> I wait 10 minutes, than restart Qt and try to load wallet again
04:12 < hardtryer> I will wait*
04:14 < hardtryer> and time to time there are errors https://imgur.com/TQnN9m4
04:15 < hardtryer> but you told me that it's not important
04:16 < waxwing> yes you can remove the curl lines from your bitcoin.conf if you like; they are only needed in the earlier version of joinmarket; but you can also install curl as explained at the end of the wiki page on installing jm on windows. up to you.
04:16 < hardtryer> I choices exit from menu and it freezes now
04:17 < hardtryer> (Not responding
04:17 < waxwing> i don't think this kind of stuff is normal. is there no way you can check this on a non-vps? i have no idea why someone would want to run windows on a vps :)
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04:18 < hardtryer> https://imgur.com/8H6ZaCo
04:18 < hardtryer> It's not my vps, it's just work)
04:19 < hardtryer> I can load it on my win10, no vps, but I don't have bitcoin core
04:19 < hardtryer> will it work without core?
04:19 < waxwing> no, it won't.
04:20 < waxwing> sorry i have no idea about it hanging on exit. i haven't seen that happen in linux or windows.
04:20 < hardtryer> how much space is needed for testnet bitcoin? About 15 Gb? At few hours?
04:21 < hardtryer> and few hours?
04:21 < hardtryer> I have nice internet
04:23 < waxwing> yeah i think 2-4 hours ish with a decent connection and a fast PC. ask in #bitcoin, not 100% sure.
04:23 < hardtryer> oh     
04:23 < waxwing> a bit less than 15GB iirc
04:24 < hardtryer> but I have reindex on the vmware running... I think I need to wait this to finish
04:24 < hardtryer> so only have vps... which freezes from time to time when it's syncing wallet with blockchain
04:25 < hardtryer> waxwing
04:25 < hardtryer> one more question
04:26 < hardtryer> will it work with real money without bitcoin core? And if yes, than on linux or windows? I mean any kind of tools (scripts, Qt, normal joinmarket's scripts)? Is there any way to make it with real BTC?
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04:29 < waxwing> it's possible using electrum servers but i won't recommend it. i think i said before, we want to have a better light client solution, may work on it myself at some point, we'll see. there are ideas.
04:30 < hardtryer> ok, maybe I will try little later
04:31 < hardtryer> and I think I find new info about problem with your Qt
04:32 < hardtryer> look at this https://imgur.com/hLX7dLc. They don't closed, even if there is no windows. Maybe that's why it freezes
04:32 < hardtryer> Just find it now
04:55 < hardtryer> what is need to use electrum? Just source=electrum_server?
04:57 < hardtryer> Oh you mean using electrum plugin, which use electrum servers? 
05:29 < hardtryer> trying with real money. All looks fine, but when I press Yes to accept order, it show messagebox 'Failed t oget a change address', and write in console 'DEBUG: Failed random: IndexError('list index out of range',), than  transaction aborted, than 'INFO:taker not continuing after receipt of order book'. Any ideas? Use electrum plugin.
05:33 < hardtryer> and some errors about nick hash ckeck failed
05:35 < waxwing> hmm, nick hash check failed is normal, you can ignore it (misconfigured counterparties). "Failed random: IndexError" etc .. that will be connected with choosing a random electrum server to connect to, although the exact error itself is a bit weird.
05:36 < waxwing> as i mentioned above, i don't recommend using it, but for those who try it, you should know that you may need to try several times before it starts up ok, because it tries to connect to electrum servers at random from a pre-configured list, and they're not all available.
05:36 < waxwing> it's not well-tested or optimized, at all; again, i don't recommend it.
05:37 < waxwing> hmm actually, if you're using the new segwit version of the code, just don't use it at all, since i haven't tested it on that. the very start of the readme says "Bitcoin Core is required".
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07:25 < hardtryer> ok, thx waxwing for expaine
07:31 < hardtryer> so I need to use old segwit, and try many times. Do it's needed to restart electrum to work, or just try one by one is normal, and each time server will change?
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07:57 < hardtryer> new errors. When launchin ./joinmarketd-debian32 in Linux, it shows error about that there is no service identity. But I installed it, and all it's dependencies
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09:17 < hardtryer> so I tried 10 times to send real bitcoin using electrum, I make 5 restart of electrum, on each start try 2 times to send, than close. I changed IRC channel too. Nothing help. I'm unable to send BTC using electrum, every time I get error "Failed to get a change address"
09:41 < waxwing> did anyone ever have any detailed thoughts on randomization of bitcoin fee within the tumbler? i could imagine one of the issues in the issue list might have discussed it. for sendpayment it's at least less of an issue, since it can be manually altered; but even there there's something to discuss re: how quickly does, say, `estimatefee 3` change, and by how much does it vary node to node.
09:42 < waxwing> (note i'm specifically talking about bitcoin fee only, the distribution of that fee between parties is not included)
09:47 < waxwing> response to Q here: https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/6x5m41/advice_on_fees/dmigv0f/
09:47 < waxwing> let me know if i forgot something, not uncommon :)
10:12 < waxwing> hardtryer, if you're using electrum as a blockchain source in joinmarket (again, i don't recommend it), you don't need to start electrum. it just queries electrum servers.
11:04 < GitHub105> [joinmarket-clientserver] AdamISZ pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v5EUL
11:04 < GitHub105> joinmarket-clientserver/master eb2a7a9 AdamISZ: fix bug in direct send sweep history display
11:04 < waxwing> ok, that works now.
11:08 < GitHub188> [joinmarket-clientserver] AlexCato opened pull request #73: Randomize manual txfee (master...randomize_manual_txfee) https://git.io/v5EUK
11:21 < waxwing> ah cool i guess he read that :)
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13:39 < hardtryer> Ok, thx for link
13:40 < hardtryer> but it's some hard to understand now, will read later
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13:54 < GitHub156> [joinmarket-clientserver] AlexCato opened pull request #74: Randomize manually set tx_fee to be within +/- 20% of the given value (master...randomize_txfee) https://git.io/v5EYX
13:54 < GitHub146> [joinmarket-clientserver] AlexCato closed pull request #73: Randomize manual txfee (master...randomize_manual_txfee) https://git.io/v5EUK
13:56 < waxwing> hardtryer, i just tried this sequence on a new win7 VM: install bitcoin core, start in testnet, download joinmarket-qt.exe, set config, run, wallet->generate, save to wallet.json, and the wallet synced in a couple of seconds.
13:56 < waxwing> note: Core testnet node was not yet fully synced, but it doesn't affect that sequence; it would of course have to be synced fully (which takes hours) to do a transaction successfully.
13:56 < waxwing> so, shrug, i'm really not sure what's going on in your setup.
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14:21 < hardtryer> waxwing, can you please send somehow me your bitcoin and joinmarket configs? And you not needed to launch joinmarketd.exe?
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14:54 < hardtryer> on my win7 the errors changed. Now I loged wallet, all is ok, try to send coinjoins, and it write in console: "stall monitor", "no stall detected", and stay that forever (30 minutes). In statusbar "connecting to IRC". Daemon is launched
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15:11 < delinquentme> Do I need to have the entire blockchain downloaded to run joinmarket?
15:11 < delinquentme> I saw the raspi install mentioned and thats really attractive ... but if the blockchain is 100gb =X 
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22:35 < waxwing> delinquentme, yes; it's possible to run in pruned mode, but questions about how one can sync on a raspi, you should ask in #bitcoin (i personally have no idea about it)
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