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00:30 < delinquentme> If I simply want to move money out of wallets that I created w joinmarket and not tumble them ... what should I use?
00:31 < adlai> delinquentme: python[2] sendpayment.py -N0 0 <address>
00:31 < adlai> delinquentme: python[2] sendpayment.py -N0 <wallet.json>0 <address>
00:31 < adlai> delinquentme: python[2] sendpayment.py -N0 <wallet.json> 0 <address>
00:31 < adlai> that should do the trick
00:31 < delinquentme> how is the transaction fee specified?
00:31 < adlai> in joinmarket.cfg
00:31 < delinquentme> ohhhhhh
00:32 < delinquentme> <3     
00:32 < adlai> :]     
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01:39 < waxwing> let's make sure we advertise the N > 144 feature, it's kind of required around now (to not overpay).
01:40 < waxwing> hmm not quite, estimatefee 20 is now giving an appropriately ridiculously low number. just took a long while to adjust.
01:40 < waxwing> (but of course estimatefee 2 is still massively overhigh)
02:20 < adlai> N?     
02:21 < adlai> fwiw, the lowest fee tier right now is 4sat/kb
02:21 < adlai> i guess it still is a little overcomplex
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02:30 < waxwing> adlai, N>144 means interpreted as fee per kB
02:30 < waxwing> i think it's in the comments. it was added by alexcato end of last year.
02:30 < adlai> wait. isn't N the number of makers?
02:30 < waxwing> it became kind of critical last few weeks for anyone using joinmarket, when core was estimating like 200+ for even estimatefee 20 or more
02:30 < waxwing> whereas you only needed like 1/10th of that
02:31 < waxwing> i was referring to tx_fees = N, sorry if obscure, thought it was obvious from context, my mistake :)
02:31 < waxwing> good point though, shouldn't use 'N' for that
02:31 < waxwing> since that's unambiguous in the command line settings.
02:31 < adlai> heh, my context was that i'd just given delinquentme -N0
02:32 < waxwing> right, i see it now, sorry
02:32 < adlai> no worries
02:32 < waxwing> but the actual point i was trying to make is important i think. people asking about doing transactions to minimize fees, please mention this, as it's a pretty huge deal.
02:33 < adlai> yep     
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04:04 < waxwing> seeing joins with cjfee >> btc tx fee, what year is this?
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07:14 < waxwing> so managed to get sync time of same wallet i mentioned before (testnet, took 5 minutes), down to 11 seconds using asynchronous approach with twisted. but ... non-trivial change in the extreme ...
07:34 < waxwing> hmm 4 seconds on a faster server :)
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08:32 < quitobro> hey waxwing :)
08:33 < quitobro> so what would you say would be the next issue to tackle
08:33 < quitobro> in jm-clientserver
08:58 < waxwing> hi yeah i saw your comment, probably it's ok to merge that wallet history one, if anyone else could give it a try that'd be great
08:59 < waxwing> quitobro, as for other things, the one you were looking at, maybe, i don't know. i guess there's a lot of things that could be done.
08:59 < waxwing> if something comes to mind i'll let you know
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09:26 < quitobro> thanks waxwing yea i'll just peruse the issues but lmk if something should be prioritized
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10:08 < delinquentme> sent a few btc to my joinmarket wallets last night. The transactions are 54 confirmations deep ... but Im not seeing my joinmarket wallet updated w the btc (sorry reconnected + nt sure if original went through)
10:12 < delinquentme> Does my local blockchain need to be completely downloaded for those to show up in my wallet?
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10:19 < waxwing> delinquentme, yes local node needs to be synced.
10:19 < delinquentme> =X     
10:19 < delinquentme> the blockchain is like 100gb no?
10:20 < waxwing> 130-140
10:20 < waxwing> arubi, any thoughts on https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/78
10:21 < waxwing> well, i just noticed something, see my comment, if i'm right there's nothing to do there.
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10:23 < arubi> waxwing, `virtualenv --python=python2`  maybe ?
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10:24 < arubi> they'll also need pip2 right
10:24 < arubi> oh no, that is set by venv
10:24 < arubi> (they will need the actual pip2 package though)
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10:29 < waxwing> arubi, maybe, yeah. i remember he said he had the main joinmarket repo set up fine; the delta there is it doesn't use a virtualenv.
10:29 < waxwing> so maybe make that suggestion in the Issue, thanks
10:30 < arubi> done.
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11:55 < waxwing> arubi, so the install script does make a python2 venv, right? i want to double check whether he tried to do that or not.
11:57 < arubi> yea install.sh takes care of that waxwing 
11:57 < waxwing> arubi, ok thanks we should be able to close that one then, let's see what he says.
11:58 < arubi> alright
12:19 < arubi> oh waxwing I just re-read their first message, seems like they used `setupall.py --daemon` which won't be necessary if using install.sh
12:20 < arubi> only because it will take care of the python -> python2 symlinks 
12:20 < waxwing> yes, that's why i mentioned it, earlier he had had trouble and tried different ways. so i want him to clarify if he had any error using the install script, because we expect he won't, according to our diagnosis.
12:21 < arubi> seems like he used a gentoo tool to set the symlinks then re-ran setupall.py
12:21 < arubi> but maybe I'm missing something too :)
12:22 < arubi> really this is where venv shines.  I think doing what he did switched the symlinks system wide (or at least user-env wide?)
12:23 < waxwing> nah he started the convo in a joinmarket/ issue thread, i asked him to report back, so he made a new issue in *clientserver, afaik the issue is solved, but just double checking on install.sh now.
12:24 < arubi> oic, let's see then
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