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03:34 < arubi> got dropped, sorry
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04:42 < waxwing> adlai, np, did you change it for markdown stuff or something? i can't see a difference at a glance
04:42 < waxwing> btw i'm putting together a short presentation on this topic for the milan meetup friday
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06:29 < grubles> do you have to be in the jmvenv in order to run the scripts or is that just for setup
06:33 < Sentineo> i run them from jmvenv
06:33 < Sentineo> didmnot try otherwise, but imthink the packages will not be available outside it, so it might fail
06:34 < Sentineo> waxwing: is it a bug or a feature that joinmarket.me says welcome to nginx! ?
06:34 < grubles> yeah that's what i figured
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07:15 < grubles> is repeatedly calling listtransactions after a canceled cj standard behavior?
07:35 < adlai> waxwing: the source is now filled to 80 columns wide, makes it much more readable as plaintext
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08:12 < arubi_> so, no guesses re. amounts I should be funding participants with on my local net?   either that or maybe a set of config parameters I could use to make the takers less private and more willing to take offers?
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09:02 < waxwing> arubi, i must have missed some context for that Q; i don't understand it
09:02 < waxwing> you're doing some testing?
09:03 < waxwing> adlai, i see, thanks, yes i'm usually all over the place with that esp. with gists where i'm not sure what file format i'm writing :)
09:03 < arubi> waxwing, yea, same as yesterday.  I set up the local network with 5 makers and a tumbler, and the tumbler is reluctant to take offers from them
09:03 < waxwing> arubi, oh ok. well how reluctant? :) at all or specific circs?
09:04 < waxwing> also really depends on what parameters you pass to tumbler
09:04 < waxwing> i should document 'this is a set of params that'll work ok with the defaults in test/ygrunner.py', haven't done that. here are some points as i remember them:
09:05 < arubi> once in a few runs I can get it to take an offer from the makers and do a single transaction, but on the second it usually errors with stuff like "ERROR not enough liquidity in the orderbook n=6 suitable-counterparties=5 amount=23121223415 totalorders=5".  no parameters to tumbler except for time delta = 1
09:05 < waxwing> set minimum_makers param to 2; confusingly there is another minimum_makers argument to tumbler as well as the minimum_makers in the config
09:05 < waxwing> yeah and the second point is what you notice there; for reliable test prob do -N 3 0 or similar
09:05 < arubi> ah, trying.
09:06 < waxwing> i.e. fix the number of participants; there you had 5 available but the randomness (sdev in counterparties) pushed it to 6.
09:06 < waxwing> all the defaults are visible in tumbler.py --help
09:06 < waxwing> also, you should consider setting the minimum coinjoin size setting (iirc it's -s), e.g. 8000000
09:07 < arubi> oh so n=6 means my tumbler wants 6, gtk
09:08 < waxwing> others to change are: the -l which is iirc the power in the power law distn for waits between transactions, it works out as a mean, i use 0.2 for example (average 1/5 of a minute, IF i'm remembering this right)
09:09 < waxwing> hmm did i really not write this down somewhere. generally i was like `python tumbler.py -N 3 0 -M 3 -l 0.2 -s 8000000 --minmakers=2 wallet addr1 addr2 addr3
09:09 < waxwing> stuff like that
09:09 < waxwing> oh i usually fix the number of transactions per mixdepth too but that's not necessary
09:09 < waxwing> -M 3 is not very realistic (3 mixdepths) but cuts down the time
09:09 < arubi> sweet, looks like it's already took it's first offer quickly.  I'll try with the rest of the flags next
09:10 < Sentineo> had hard time understanding all the terms in the docs
09:10 < Sentineo> will have to look into it more
09:10 < arubi> good info.  I'm trying to learn all the tweaks.  thanks waxwing 
09:10 < Sentineo> so I left tumbler intact :P
09:10 < waxwing> Sentineo, well but we're specifically talking about a testing setup
09:10 < arubi> oh Sentineo I'm talking about a local test on a regtest network, nothing like this should be setup for mainnet
09:11 < arubi> (these parameters)
09:11 < waxwing> for real life it probably is worth tweaking one or two things, but not all that ^
09:11 < Sentineo> ah ok
09:11 < Sentineo> phew :D
09:11 < Sentineo> do you have to create an IRC server as well arubi ?
09:11 < waxwing> yeah we have something for that Sentineo github.com/joinmarket-org/miniircd
09:11 < arubi> yes but that's the easiest part.  you just get miniircd from joinmarket-org
09:12 < Sentineo> ah cool
09:12 < Sentineo> learning bu doing is the best
09:12 < waxwing> just a fork of a very minimal irc server; i forget what small change was added to the fork, adlai prob remembers i think he did it
09:12 < waxwing> unfortunately does not support things like socks though, it really is "mini"
09:13 < waxwing> arubi, one advantage of doing -M 3 is you can just use destination addresses from mixdepth 4 and then you'll be able to immediately see if it works with wallet-tool
09:14 < arubi> ah, that's a good idea.
09:14 < arubi> seems like it's going forward.  I'll nuke everything and start from scratch :)
09:15 < waxwing> oh and ... you have logs/TUMBLE.log which is a much more informative log file that you can tail while you're watching
09:15 < arubi> yep, that's what I'm tailing
09:15 < waxwing> ah right, that's something i *did* actually write down :)
09:16 < Sentineo> is there going to be a gui some time for all this?
09:17 < Sentineo> this is very interesting stuff. Sad I did not know about joinmarket before
09:18 < arubi> Sentineo, I'll take some notes of my setup and paste here when I'm done.  you'll be able to run it too
09:18 < waxwing> Sentineo, there already is a gui in scripts/joinmarket-qt.py
09:18 < arubi> oh and that right :)
09:18 < waxwing> it's only taker side, but it specifically does include the tumbler algorithm.
09:19 < Sentineo> did not try it yeat
09:19 < Sentineo> I meant like the maker as well
09:19 < Sentineo> in my todo for tomorrow
09:19 < waxwing> there's a walkthrough in docs/
09:19 < Sentineo> sad a day has 24 hours :)
09:19 < Sentineo> yep I have it opened
09:19 < Sentineo> arubi: that would be cool
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09:56 < arubi> oh one more question, is there a way to not have password protected wallets on regtest\testnet?  like using a seed from the command line (or even the password itself)
09:57 < arubi> I remember jm had that, if you'd input a string that isn't a wallet it would be interpreted as seed, but doesn't seem to work with jm-cs (unless pebcak somehow)
10:00 < arubi> "log.debug('filename interpreted as seed, only available in..."  I guess I just didn't trigger it, trying again
10:01 < arubi> ah, needs to be hex :)  awesome.
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