--- Day changed Sun Oct 29 2017 00:35 -!- d3spwn [53a19dc8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.161.157.200] has joined #joinmarket 01:21 -!- d3spwn [53a19dc8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.161.157.200] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:25 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@104.236.136.185] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@104.236.136.185] has joined #joinmarket 02:24 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@104.236.136.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44 -!- coins123 [~coins123@2.43.18.255] has joined #joinmarket 04:44 -!- coins123 [~coins123@2.43.18.255] has quit [Changing host] 04:44 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 05:04 -!- zxccxz [4f7c1260@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.124.18.96] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:49 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 06:55 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@88.red-83-52-44.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:11 < Anduck> fees? 07:11 < Anduck> he really needs persistent logs :) 08:07 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 09:00 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@104.236.136.185] has joined #joinmarket 09:22 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@104.236.136.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:47 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 11:29 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 12:10 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #joinmarket 13:02 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:06 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:26 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined #joinmarket 14:14 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 14:14 < delinquentme> blah! OK so any idea on the actual fees that Ill be charged yet :D? 14:15 < delinquentme> can I get some confirmation on those previous questions? adlai waxwing belcher_ ? 14:17 < waxwing> delinquentme, hi 14:17 < delinquentme> howdy =] 14:17 < waxwing> what's your Q about fees exactly? 14:17 < delinquentme> this isnt logged right? cause Id just go check the logs 14:18 < waxwing> no i don't think there's a public log 14:18 < waxwing> so it's the Qs you had earlier about tumbler? 14:18 < waxwing> i can see in the scrollback. bouncers help :) 14:19 < delinquentme> with 'makercountrange': (6, 1) and "Estimated miner/tx fee for each cj participant: 50617" 14:19 < delinquentme> bouncers? 14:19 < delinquentme> makercountrange is by default restricted to a max of 7 so ... 50617sat ~=$3usd * number of makers ~= $27usd 14:19 < waxwing> Estimated miner/tx fee for each cj participant: 50617, yes, oh you wrote it again 14:19 < delinquentme> So is that *total* fees for each participant ... or fees PER cj? 14:20 < waxwing> that output is for a particular transaction. i don't think there is an overall fee estimate for the whole tumbler run. 14:20 -!- technonerd [~techno@gateway/tor-sasl/technonerd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20 < waxwing> hang on let me check exactly how to interpret that, but it should be for one tx anyway 14:21 -!- technonerd [~techno@gateway/tor-sasl/technonerd] has joined #joinmarket 14:21 < waxwing> which version of joinmarket? 14:21 < delinquentme> release 0.2.3 14:21 < waxwing> which version though? 14:21 < waxwing> i think that must be joinmarket-org/joinmarket (non-segwit) 14:22 < delinquentme> correct 14:22 < delinquentme> thats non-segwit 14:22 < delinquentme> so now that I've got the tumbler script giving me appropriate feedback from the run... it gives me a list of txs 14:23 < delinquentme> so given that list and count ... it would be trivial to approximate, given the gross expectation of participants ... the fees for a run 14:23 < delinquentme> Aside: "Estimated miner/tx fee for each cj participant: 50617" << thats satoshi right? 14:24 < waxwing> yes that's a rough estimate per participant, per tx. yes all amounts are satoshis. 14:28 -!- MaxSan [~user@213.152.162.84] has joined #joinmarket 14:38 -!- zxccxz [4f7c1260@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.124.18.96] has joined #joinmarket 14:39 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 14:41 < delinquentme> wax ok so then ... 20 transactions... at $3 per tx ... im looking at ~60 in fees 14:43 < waxwing> no, if you had 20 transactions at $3 per participant at 7 on average per tx, that's 21x20 so $420. 14:43 < waxwing> btw better use tab autocomplete waxwing not wax (so it pings me) 14:44 < waxwing> needless to say $3 per participant and 20 transactions is not very feasible at those fees, unless you're dealing with huge amounts of money 14:45 < delinquentme> ty for the clarification waxwing =] 14:48 < delinquentme> waxwing, does the number of wallets effect the price? 14:49 < waxwing> number of wallets? don't understand 14:49 < delinquentme> tumbler.py accepts in a number of addresses 14:50 < delinquentme> Im expecting that that would up the total count of transactions and thus multiplicatively increase the fees right? 14:50 < delinquentme> I can send tumbler.py between 3-5 addresses 14:50 < waxwing> the number of transactions is controlled by -M and -c options (see --help) 14:51 < waxwing> -c 3 0 -M 4 would result in exactly 12 transactions for example. 14:52 < delinquentme> waxwing, but then how does the wallet count given to the tumbler script change that? 14:54 < waxwing> those are just destinations of sweep outs from the last few mixdepths 14:54 < delinquentme> "wallet count" = "address count" 14:54 < waxwing> speaking very roughly 14:54 < delinquentme> waxwing, wait ... the addresses I give to tumbler.py aren't inputs but outputs? 14:56 < waxwing> they're destinations for your coins. see the tumbler wiki page (and also the --help) 14:56 < delinquentme> "Run tumbler.py with your wallet file and at least one address. Ex: 14:56 < delinquentme> " 14:57 < delinquentme> Yeah on my read through it seems I missed that bit. 14:58 < delinquentme> I was of the thinking that the tumbler script accepts in the addresses of the coins you wish to run ... but yeah it makes sense now that the wallet has access to *all of the wallets* with the wallet.json .. and that the addresses should be *output* addresses 15:10 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:10 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 15:15 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:15 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:fc65:f34c:a9ec:1920] has joined #joinmarket 15:20 < delinquentme> ok so then the wallets which are populated w btc in the wallet.json file ... does the count of addresses with funds influence the fees of the run? 15:20 < delinquentme> waxwing, ^ 15:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:fc65:f34c:a9ec:1920] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 15:31 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Quit: (┛◉Д◉)┛┻━┻] 16:06 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [] 16:20 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:22 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 16:45 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:fc65:f34c:a9ec:1920] has joined #joinmarket 16:47 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@104.236.136.185] has joined #joinmarket 17:25 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:fc65:f34c:a9ec:1920] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:28 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 17:31 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 17:35 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@104.236.136.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:16 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 21:01 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:07 -!- quitobro [~quitobro@pool-108-41-0-186.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: quitobro]