--- Day changed Mon Nov 13 2017 00:29 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 00:52 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 02:27 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:28 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 02:40 -!- CtrlC [~CtrlC@5.196.252.236] has joined #joinmarket 02:40 -!- CtrlC [~CtrlC@5.196.252.236] has quit [Changing host] 02:40 -!- CtrlC [~CtrlC@unaffiliated/ctrlc] has joined #joinmarket 02:42 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:03 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has joined #joinmarket 03:34 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has joined #joinmarket 03:34 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:34 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 07:49 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #joinmarket 08:41 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 09:11 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [] 10:34 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@88.red-83-52-44.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #joinmarket 10:54 -!- nkuttler [~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:55 -!- nkuttler [~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler] has joined #joinmarket 12:15 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has joined #joinmarket 12:28 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 12:31 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:53 -!- technonerd [~techno@gateway/tor-sasl/technonerd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53 -!- technonerd [~techno@gateway/tor-sasl/technonerd] has joined #joinmarket 13:29 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:29 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 13:51 -!- q-biq [q-biq@unaffiiliated/q-biq] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:51 -!- bad_duck [~arthur@2001:bc8:c087:1001::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:52 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #joinmarket 13:52 -!- bad_duck [~arthur@area51.powaaa.com] has joined #joinmarket 14:08 -!- emzy [~quassel@unaffiliated/emzy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10 -!- q-biq [q-biq@153.92.126.244] has joined #joinmarket 14:10 -!- q-biq [q-biq@153.92.126.244] has quit [Changing host] 14:10 -!- q-biq [q-biq@unaffiiliated/q-biq] has joined #joinmarket 14:18 -!- emzy [~quassel@raspberry.emzy.de] has joined #joinmarket 14:19 -!- emzy [~quassel@raspberry.emzy.de] has quit [Changing host] 14:19 -!- emzy [~quassel@unaffiliated/emzy] has joined #joinmarket 14:27 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:30 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #joinmarket 15:20 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36 -!- bobo [5628abd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.40.171.208] has joined #joinmarket 16:37 < bobo> File "/home/node/joinmarket-clientserver/scripts/jmvenv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jmclient/wallet.py", line 38, in estimate_tx_fee str(absurd_fee) + ", quitting.") ValueError: Estimated fee per kB greater than absurd value: 350000, quitting. 16:37 < bobo> cant seem to get sendpayment to work all week 16:39 < bobo> any ideas? 16:40 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:40 -!- juscamarena_ [~justin@47.148.173.164] has joined #joinmarket 16:43 < waxwing> the fee estimated by your node is greater than 350000 satoshis per kB, which you're configured to treat as absurd and panic quit. 16:43 < waxwing> see the setting absurd_fee_per_kb in the joinmarket.cfg file 16:45 < bobo> thanks, absurd_fee_per_kb = 350000 16:45 < bobo> should i change it? 16:45 < bobo> 350000 seams like a high fee 16:58 < bobo> ValueError: Estimated fee per kB greater than absurd value: 700000, quitting. 16:58 < waxwing> bobo, the network had its highest fees ever the last week or so 16:58 < waxwing> by quite a long way. mostly due to miners switching to bitcoin cash temporarily. 16:59 < waxwing> i would avoid using joinmarket probably, since joinmarket multiplies fees by 3 to 7 times (very roughly) 17:00 < bobo> yikes 17:02 < bobo> i have .6 btc in my jm wallet can i import the seed to the new electrum wallet 3.0.1 17:02 < waxwing> you can import it to trezor. i think ledger and possibly samourai too. 17:03 < waxwing> but i think not electrum. unless somehow electrum *with* trezor, not sure how that works. 17:04 < bobo> Electrum 3.0.1 supports segwit 17:04 < waxwing> joinmarket (segwit type, that you're using) uses BIP49, so look out for that. (it also uses BIP39, but specifically 12 word seeds not 24) 17:04 < waxwing> bobo, yes it does, but there's more to it than that. electrum has never been compatible with the several other wallets that use BIP39/44. It's a complicated story. 17:05 < waxwing> you can send funds out of your joinmarket wallet without using coinjoin with the flag -N 0. This uses ordinary transactions with no extra fees (and no extra privacy) 17:05 < bobo> using sendpayment.py ? 17:06 < waxwing> you can also control the fee more exactly using the setting tx_fees = X in joinmarket.cfg; if you set X to a value > 144 it is treated as a number of satoshis per kilobyte. 17:06 < waxwing> so if you set it to 50000 you will pay 50 satoshis per byte, which at current rates is very low, and you would almost certainly have to wait a long time. 17:08 < bobo> thank you 17:09 < bobo> importing it to electrum did not work, will mess around with joinmarket.cfg 17:18 < waxwing> try samourai. 17:18 < waxwing> also, there is another option, which is to import keys. it's something one should be very careful about, but it's possible, but *only* if the wallet you're importing to knows that you are importing keys for p2sh-p2wpkh addresses. otherwise it won't see the coins. 17:19 < waxwing> (to show private keys in joinmarket you can use the -p option to the wallet-tool script) 17:20 < bobo> yes i have i had no luck importing the private keys into electrum 17:22 < waxwing> that'll be because of that ^ . assuming you don't have a trezor or ledger device, i think samourai might work, plus i'll bet there are other wallets now supporting p2sh/p2wpkh keys, but admittedly not sure. 17:22 < waxwing> tbh i always hated dealing with import/export privkeys, it's very dangerous for users anyway. 17:23 < bobo> me too 17:24 < bobo> ok so i imported the seed to samourai the balance is 0. 17:25 < bobo> it does show previous transactions i did with the wallet 17:27 < bobo> bitcoin is still on my joinmarket wallet 17:27 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@88.red-83-52-44.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:30 < waxwing> bobo, hmm that's interesting! so you see the transactions you did in the joinmarket wallet, in samourai? 17:31 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 < bobo> yes 17:32 < waxwing> but the wrong balance? 17:32 < waxwing> does it show the branches in samourai? like m/49'/0'/0/0 something like that? 17:33 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #joinmarket 17:39 < bobo> the funds in joinmark wallet are in mix depth 2 & 3 17:40 < bobo> 1 in mix depth 2 and the rest in 3 17:41 < waxwing> bobo, right. so that's why i'm asking about the branches in samourai. does it only show two like the above ^ 17:41 < waxwing> or does it also show multiple, so you can find m/49'/0'/2/0 e.g. (going from memory here i may be slightly off) 17:43 < bobo> no it just shows the send transactions 17:44 < waxwing> got it. i wonder if there's a way to configure it to show more branches (well, 'accounts' they'd be called), then. 17:45 < waxwing> i should set it up. i was going to do it ages ago but got distracted, i remembered it being a bit of a pain but i'll try again now. 17:47 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48 < bobo> python sendpayment.py -N 0 -- is the 0 for the mixdepth? 17:50 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has joined #joinmarket 17:52 < waxwing> bobo, no here "-N 0" means zero counterparties, i.e. i am just doing a transaction myself 17:52 < waxwing> to specify the mixdepth use -m 17:52 < waxwing> e.g. `python sendpayment.py -N 0 -m 1 wallet amount destn` 17:53 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53 < bobo> yes that worked 17:54 < bobo> thank you 17:55 < waxwing> ok this is weird bobo 17:55 < waxwing> when you import the seed to samourai, and go to "show unspent outputs", it shows all your coins 17:56 < waxwing> but on the front page it just seems to show "0 btc" 17:56 < waxwing> i'm gonna try making a transaction. i can see all the unspent coins so it ought to work... 17:57 < bobo> "show unspent outputs" shows a blank screen 17:57 < waxwing> oh that's weird, when i come out of that page, now it shows a balance. 17:57 < waxwing> maybe their backend is unreliable somehow. 17:58 < waxwing> there is also the issue of how many accounts it looks at. let me see if i can check that. 17:58 < waxwing> (in case it wasn't obvious, joinmarket uses 5 "accounts" = "mixdepths" by default, although you can use more) 17:58 < bobo> the website says its in Alpha 3 17:59 < waxwing> well heh yeah there's that too. but it's being used quite a lot. not that i'm recommending it, but a lot of people i know seem to like it. 18:00 -!- Michail1 [~michail@michail.com] has joined #joinmarket 18:00 < bobo> never heard of it, but it looks very promising 18:01 < bobo> i like how you can set a custom fee as low as 1sat/b 18:01 < bobo> might take a while to confrim :) 18:01 < waxwing> indeed 18:02 < bobo> thanks again waxwing, i jhave been trying to move the funds for over a week now 18:03 < waxwing> well i'm a bit sad that somehow samourai is not finding it easy to import the wallet, but then again it was heavily used so it's hard to scan forward through all the addresses. it seemed to find about 2/3 of the coins so far :) 18:04 < waxwing> when i tried trezor it worked perfectly but that wallet was not so heavily used, so it was an easier test to pass. 18:04 < bobo> i need to get a trezor 18:05 < bobo> https://trezor.io/ is the website? 18:06 < waxwing> ok, hmm, it seems actually that the samourai is basically correct. there are two transactions which remain unconfirmed, so they're not included in the balance. 18:06 < waxwing> iow i think it worked correctly. 18:06 < waxwing> bobo, yes 18:07 < bobo> i was using the tumbler.py when it crashed half way 18:08 < bobo> then my bitcoind wallet crashed 18:08 < waxwing> not that i'm recommending doing this today, but you know you can restart it with --restart right? 18:09 < waxwing> bobo, oh? uh well that's interesting! 18:09 < bobo> had it setup on a pi 18:09 < waxwing> what kind of crash did you see in joinmarket? do you know what the crash messages were? 18:09 < waxwing> oh so you think it might be like, memory or something? 18:10 < bobo> the logs said my pi was maxed out on memory 18:12 < bobo> --restart gave me: Taker not continuing after receipt of orderbook 18:13 < waxwing> set console_log_level to DEBUG in [LOGGING] section of joinmarket.cfg (not now ofc but in future, may get more useful message, also it's always in .log in logs/ anyway) 18:14 < bobo> ok thanks 18:15 < bobo> i think think i'll wait till the fees go down, before i use joinmarket again 18:15 < waxwing> yes, i would wait 18:15 < bobo> its been a fun few weeks learned a lot 18:16 < bobo> and cried a bit 18:16 < waxwing> oh, sorry! 18:16 < waxwing> btw pls do try the samourai load again if you get a chance, i'm curious; it worked for me, and that wallet was pretty full. 18:16 < waxwing> first time it just showed zero. it seemed like it took a while, in the background, to get it correct. 18:18 < bobo> balance shows 0 18:20 < waxwing> k. anyone else can try it with a segwit wallet? i'd like to know if it works for anyone else. 18:20 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 18:41 < bobo> got to go bye 18:44 -!- bobo [5628abd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.40.171.208] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:05 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:12 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 23:52 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket