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Waxwing you had given me this quote: "if you had 20 transactions at $3 per participant at 7 on average per tx, that's 21x20 so $420." And I think I understand that. But my question here is that Im looking to use the tumbler and from my estimates Ill be paying 5% in fees. Does that sound about right? 15:22 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 15:22 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 15:25 < delinquentme> This is on joinmarket vanilla with the tx_fees = 142 in joinmarket.cfg 15:29 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:38 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:ceb7:990:21f5:88b1:c159:c355] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58 -!- juscamarena_ [~justin@47.148.173.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:20 -!- delinquentme [42577615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.66.87.118.21] has joined #joinmarket 16:21 < delinquentme> oiy. sorry guys im jumping between computers... 16:21 < delinquentme> any idea on that 5% fees? 16:26 < delinquentme> waxwing: belcher adlai ^^ 16:45 < waxwing> i wont be around for a while. the percentage will be very much variable. 17:11 < delinquentme> hmm 17:26 < delinquentme> segwit = true ... if Im on joinmarket classic will this in joinmarket.cfg cause problems? 17:27 < delinquentme> I thought "joinmarket" is non-segwit? 18:02 < delinquentme> Yeah ok so Im seeing what seems to be inconsistencies here waxwing .... 18:02 < delinquentme> belcher: adlai too ... heres my thought process: 18:02 < delinquentme> python tumbler.py wallet.json XXX YYY ZZZ --makercountrange=3 1 --minmakercount=2 --txcountparams=2 1 --mixdepthcount=2 --maxcreatetx=20 18:03 < delinquentme> tx_fees = 10 # set in joinmarket.cfg 18:03 < delinquentme> 2017-11-14 17:50:40,570 [MainThread ] [INFO ] Estimated miner/tx fee for each cj participant: 99582 or $6.72 usd 18:04 < delinquentme> This, contrary to what you had said waxwing ... seems to be the fees paid to the cj participant for the *ENTIRE* run 18:04 < delinquentme> otherwise ... its directly contradictory with the info given here (output from tumbler.py): 18:04 < delinquentme> {'liquiditywait': 60, 'makercountrange': (3.0, 1.0), 'mincjamount': 100000, 'mixdepthcount': 4, 'amountpower': 100.0, 'minmakercount': 2, 'txcountparams': (2.0, 1.0), 'maxbroadcasts': 4, 'waittime': 20, 'txfee': 99582, 'fastsync': False, 'timelambda': 30, 'maxcreatetx': 20, 'mixdepthsrc': 0, 'addrcount': 3, 'maxcjfee': (0.01, 10000), 'donateamount' 18:04 < delinquentme> : 0, 'mintxcount': 1} 18:04 < delinquentme> specifically "maximum coinjoin fee and bitcoin value the tumbler is willing to pay to a single market maker." 18:05 < delinquentme> maxcjfee == (0.01, 10000) 18:05 < delinquentme> or .. $0.68 18:05 < delinquentme> So it kinda doesn't make any sense because 18:05 < delinquentme> Doesnt make any sense at all. Its saying "10000 sat ($0.68) is the max a cj participant will get paid" and at the same time saying... 18:05 < delinquentme> "Estimated miner/tx fee for each cj participant: 99582 sat ($6.72 usd)" 18:06 < delinquentme> So the output from the script seems to be in direct contradiction to the prior estimate you gave me waxwing with "if you had 20 transactions at $3 per participant at 7 on average per tx, that's 21x20 so $420." 18:07 < delinquentme> Also Im surprised that this question of 'how much does a tumbler run cost' hasn't come up before... 18:07 < delinquentme> OR if you want the TLDR version: 18:07 < delinquentme> 2017-11-14 17:50:40,570 [MainThread ] [INFO ] Estimated miner/tx fee for each cj participant: 99582 18:10 < delinquentme> is that 99582 sat ($6.72 usd) ... is that *how much each participant is paid for the TOTAL transaction* 18:11 < delinquentme> blah rephrasing: 18:11 < delinquentme> That 99582 sat ($6.72 usd) ... is that *How much each participant is paid for the TOTAL tumbler run* 18:12 < delinquentme> .... or is it what each of the maker gets paid per coinjoin? 18:19 -!- delinquentme [42577615@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.66.87.118.21] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:20 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 18:22 -!- delinquentme_ [6ceb7099@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.235.112.153] has joined #joinmarket 20:07 < delinquentme> adlai, belcher, waxwing .. a response from any of you guys would be *really* appreciated =X as Im trying to run a tumbler tonight ( in the next 8 hrs ) and a confirmation on the fee estimates would be huge =] 20:08 < delinquentme> Yes pull requests will be given once I figure out the fee estimates to help other people along who have these same questions :D 20:16 -!- leochill [~leochill@guntha.cryptoligarch.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21 -!- leochill [~leochill@guntha.cryptoligarch.com] has joined #joinmarket 23:01 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:03 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 23:15 -!- xcvvcx [53e42f33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.228.47.51] has joined #joinmarket 23:28 -!- delinquentme_ [6ceb7099@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.235.112.153] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:31 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:34 -!- delinquentme_ [6ceb7099@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.235.112.153] has joined #joinmarket 23:39 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@108-235-112-153.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #joinmarket 23:59 -!- windsok_ [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]