--- Day changed Wed Nov 22 2017 03:39 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 04:11 < trotski2000> hi guys, waxwing :) 04:11 < trotski2000> what does it happen if I delete an old wallet and create a new one in Core (not Joinmarket) - will that affect my Joinmarket wallet? 05:04 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@c-208-25.net-185.wadsl.it] has joined #joinmarket 05:04 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27 -!- imposter [uid57046@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvdxejvmuqqygtqj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:29 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@CPE-101-181-114-171.lnse5.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:30 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@c-208-25.net-185.wadsl.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 06:31 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@CPE-121-214-142-65.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #joinmarket 06:35 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@CPE-121-214-142-65.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:37 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@CPE-101-181-70-218.lnse4.cha.bigpond.net.au] has joined #joinmarket 06:58 < waxwing> trotski2000, you'll need to rescan if you do that unfortunately (after an initial call to wallet-tool) 08:00 < trotski2000> waxwing: BTW, I owe you a short writeup on macos install 08:02 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-254-237-219-201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #joinmarket 08:14 < waxwing> trotski2000, thanks if you can do that. 08:28 -!- d3spwn [53a19dc8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.161.157.200] has joined #joinmarket 08:52 -!- d3spwn [53a19dc8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.161.157.200] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:01 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-254-237-219-201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:09 -!- delinquentme [6ceb7099@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.235.112.153] has joined #joinmarket 09:12 < delinquentme> would any combination of the settings for the tumbler result in a total loss of coins? 09:16 < arubi> delinquentme, curious, as a result of what? generally you're only sending coins either back to yourself or to an address that you specifically set 09:18 < delinquentme> tinkering with the commandline options for tumbler.py 09:18 < delinquentme> basically to negate some of the privacy in exchange for lower total fees 09:18 < delinquentme> I had bunch of money in there at one point and then I asked myself " am I willing to lose this " 09:19 < delinquentme> and that was a no. 09:20 < arubi> well, any transaction that you will sign will be paying the address you specified. either that or the transaction might not get through at all because of too low fees. I think it's more common to lose the wallet file \ mnemonic 09:21 < delinquentme> because i had changed a number of the settings including --makercountrange=3 1 --minmakercount=2 --txcountmarams=3 1 --mixdepthcount=2 09:22 < arubi> you might wanna try testnet \ regtest for the more exotic parameters, but still I don't think either of these can result in loss 09:25 < waxwing> arubi, perhaps delinquentme is considering what in what scenarios bitcoin tx fees might eat up a lot of the coins. if you use tx_fees = 3 (or 1,2) it's possible to pay very large amounts. 09:25 < waxwing> but that's really just a function of doing coinjoins rather than tumbler per se 09:26 < arubi> ah, good point. 09:26 < waxwing> so yeah -N 3 1 will tend to lower the fees, combined with tx_fees = 09:27 < waxwing> i would not use something like tumbler in a high fee period, but i would also use the fixed sat per kB option in case it spikes after you start. and also, you can just stop it. 09:27 < waxwing> and restart later. 09:29 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 09:29 < delinquentme> welcome back to the living waxwing 09:30 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [] 09:31 < waxwing> yeah i'm *mostly* still around :) i've been spending time looking at other things last couple of weeks. 09:31 < waxwing> oh arubi i merged that osx thing btw 09:31 < arubi> sweet 09:31 < waxwing> also re: "other things" arubi , did a bulletproofs toy example thing, don't know if you saw 09:32 < arubi> yep just caught the link, definitely need to look at that, but I'm not even up to speed with the "primitives" :) 09:35 < waxwing> well primitives aren't anything new really (which paradoxically is what's new) .. but it's a really algebraically complex thing. 09:41 < arubi> hm, does it use the older stuff from CT like ring sigs and such? sadly I didn't follow bulletproof stuff at all.. was busy messing around with btc1 before the failed s2x fork hehe 09:42 < delinquentme> waxwing: what would happen if things like --maxcreatetx=1000 (default 20sec) and --waittime=3600 (default 20 sec)? 09:42 < delinquentme> I think the expected behavior is to hugely extend the time of the transaction ... or not... but that wont make something blow up right? 09:43 < delinquentme> i guess i should just tumble $50 when mempool is quiet and pray it doesnt totally evaporate 09:48 < waxwing> delinquentme, as i say, if you use a fixed satoshis per kB amount for tx_fees, there's no need to pray re: how much bitcoin tx fees you pay. 09:48 < waxwing> the problem there would only be that you might create transactions with low fees that take days to confirm. 09:49 < waxwing> as for trying $50 though, unless you set like 1000 satoshis per kB (1 sat per b), the fees may end up being quite large. but if you do that of course, the transactions are very likely to take ages to confirm. 09:50 < waxwing> for setting very long maker_timeout_sec (the waittime), yeah, maybe. i certainly won't guarantee, though, that that'll work. 09:50 < waxwing> even a long time ago when fees were much lower, $50 wasn't really practical. 09:50 < undeath> you hardly get 4 sat/byte to confirm, maybe on weekends 09:51 < waxwing> yeah it just depends 09:53 < waxwing> delinquentme, as for maxcreatetx i'd have to check, but iirc that's deprecated (means, i should remove it), that's not used in the new version. 09:53 < delinquentme> arent the amounts and fees paid on those amounts all public info? 09:53 < delinquentme> couldn't a dynamic fee estimate be calculated off that? 09:56 < waxwing> arubi, no it's specifically ring sigs that's not being used; it's taking a completely different approach to proving that the amount, in the pedersen commitment, is in range. 09:57 < waxwing> the pedersen commitment for the output amount is the same/unchanged. 10:00 < arubi> oic, thanks. I should have a couple weeks off work next month, hopefully I can grok some of it :) 10:02 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 10:28 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 10:29 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 10:47 < arubi> trivial test of building jmcs on osx using travis : https://travis-ci.org/fivepiece/joinmarket-clientserver/jobs/305948057 . the job hasn't started yet. seems like there's a constant backlog of osx jobs but when it eventually does it would be nice to see if it passes by just running ./install.sh :) 10:48 < arubi> I mean, if you don't need any dependencies in addition to what travis already preinstalls 10:58 < arubi> crap, that was a quick failure 10:59 < arubi> lol, and that's not even an error in install.sh, tar is failing to install that python package hehe 11:01 < arubi> s/install/unpack 11:11 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:11 < waxwing> right. hopefully trotski2000 or james hilliard have some input. i'm clueless, to state the obvious. 11:16 < arubi> there's nothing we can do about it. it's failing even before any of our commands are run. I pushed a new one with the "site_packages" removed. linux passed 11:19 < arubi> ooooh https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/4729 11:33 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 11:38 < arubi> too bad it still doesn't work. I'm guessing that installing python and virtualenv using brew will work though, I'll try testing it 12:53 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Quit: (┛◉Д◉)┛┻━┻] 12:57 < arubi> I got jmcs to build on osx, https://travis-ci.org/fivepiece/joinmarket-clientserver/builds/305989409 , needed to tweak .travis.yml a bit. it currently fails on the tests because bitcoind isn't installed. 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