--- Day changed Thu Jan 04 2018 02:39 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 05:33 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 05:40 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 06:06 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 06:09 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:10 -!- lukedashjr is now known as luke-jr 07:02 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 07:22 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:22 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #joinmarket 08:59 -!- zxccxz [5db798de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.183.152.222] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:09 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #joinmarket 11:10 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:32 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 13:19 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 13:21 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 13:31 -!- user_ [~user@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:35 -!- dx25 [~dx25@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:40 -!- zxccxz [5db798de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.183.152.222] has joined #joinmarket 13:43 -!- user_ [~user@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: user_] 13:44 -!- dx25 [~dx25@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5 - http://znc.in] 13:44 -!- user_ [~user@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:44 -!- dx25 [~dx25@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has joined #joinmarket 13:48 -!- user_ [~user@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:54 -!- sturles [~sturles@unaffiliated/sturles] has quit [Quit: reboot to mitigate meltdown and spectre] 14:03 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:06 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #joinmarket 14:08 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 14:09 -!- quitobro [quitobro@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/quitobro] has joined #joinmarket 14:09 < quitobro> waxwing: hey mate - is it “safe” to use master off jm-cs 14:09 < quitobro> looks like it has some useful commits in there like reconnecting when bitcoind connectino drops 14:12 < waxwing> quitobro, yes it is. i'm sorry i haven't made a new release, perhaps i should have, but mostly trying to get a Py3 version working. it wasn't as easy as it might have been ... 14:12 < quitobro> no worries! actually i have been meaning to ask around how people solve the python2 vs. phython3 “problem” ha 14:14 < quitobro> waxwing: the reason is because i seem to regularly hit issues with pip... 14:15 < quitobro> 17:14:23 › pip install virtualenv 14:15 < quitobro> Traceback (most recent call last): 14:15 < quitobro> File "/usr/local/opt/python/libexec/bin/pip", line 11, in sorry i'm confused what's the python3 vs python2 thing? JM currently only works in python 2.7 (either version of JM) 14:19 < quitobro> waxwing: yea my bad. conflating two things. in general, i want to know how devs handle the python2 vs python3 split *system wide*. u know like patterns, high level. 14:19 < quitobro> waxwing: separately, i’m hitting this issue with `pip install virtualenv` 14:20 < waxwing> quitobro, i can't offhand remember, but i think you install virtualenv with apt-get ? (python-* something not sure) 14:20 < quitobro> which last i slogged thru this was solveable by using a diff python 14:20 < quitobro> mac os, sorry 14:20 < waxwing> if you google it that'd be my guess 14:20 < waxwing> ah mac os 14:21 < waxwing> there's a set of steps in the install now (on master) docs/INSTALL.md 14:21 < quitobro> yes i’m following those 14:21 < waxwing> gotcha. 14:21 < waxwing> trotski2000, ping ^ any idea? 14:22 < waxwing> also the ./install.sh is perhaps supposed to work, i'm a little unclear, but i believe arubi thinks it should 14:22 < quitobro> i don’t want to use install.sh cuz i want a dev setup 14:22 < quitobro> w/ egg-link files 14:22 < quitobro> ah i see install.sh handles that? 14:24 < quitobro> does the install script at least house everything locally in jmvenv? this script is doing a ton! 14:38 < quitobro> waxwing: ok install.sh worked great :) thanks to whomever did that! 14:38 < quitobro> so, i have been syncing a new full node over the past few days 14:39 -!- user_ [~user@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has joined #joinmarket 14:39 -!- user_ is now known as user 14:39 < quitobro> today i imported a JM wallet from a recovery seed 14:39 -!- user [~user@67-3-130-119.omah.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:39 < quitobro> when i run wallet tool however it shows 0 balances… i don’t want to re-index my node now that the addresses are being watched; is there some way to only import transaction history for the already-imported wallets? 14:41 < quitobro> cc arubi 14:42 < waxwing> on a new node, you *have* to rescan after loading a non-empty JM wallet for the first time 14:43 < waxwing> because only after "recover" on the wallet, does the Bitcoin node have the addresses imported. 14:43 < quitobro> damnit :( 14:43 < quitobro> was afraid you might say that 14:43 < waxwing> yes this scenario is the worst one. if the JM wallet hasn't been used much, it will only be one rescan. 14:44 < quitobro> waxwing: i’m pruning so i can only reindex... 14:44 < quitobro> which is a b*tch 14:44 < waxwing> if you have some massive wallet, it gets hairy. it's possible now to load a JM wallet on trezor, ledger, samourai, and partially on electrum. 14:44 < quitobro> oh nice using the 12 wrod mnemonic? 14:44 < waxwing> yes 14:44 < quitobro> which BIP is that 14:44 < quitobro> if u know off hand 14:45 < waxwing> but be aware of the privacy issues if you choose to do that 14:45 < waxwing> 39 and 49 14:45 < dx25> is there much use of segwit joinmarket wallets? 14:45 < quitobro> dx25: https://joinmarket.me/ob/toggleSW 14:45 < dx25> sweet, hadn't seen this 14:45 < waxwing> dx25, well we don't know but about 1/2 of the joinmarket pit is segwit nowadays. actually let me refresh it 14:45 < quitobro> since the protocol obfuscates peers from all other peers it’s hard to know how many transactions are happening tho 14:48 < waxwing> ok refreshed, seeing 29 non-sw bots vs 22 sw. got to admit i'm kind of amazed if anyone is using it now with the fees as they are. 14:49 < quitobro> yea you have to configure `tx_fees=` 14:49 < quitobro> otherwise you will find you pay a boat load… 14:50 < dx25> segwits can't coinjoin with non segwits, can they? 14:51 < waxwing> quitobro, right, which leaves makers in limbo with their utxos stuck for many days. not saying it's a total disaster, but i'm not keen on using it right now. 14:51 < waxwing> dx25, it would be possible, but for simplicity's sake they're completely separate 14:51 < dx25> ok 14:52 < waxwing> you *can* send a coinjoin to a non-sw address of course; it's debatable but i think it makes the privacy effect worse. 14:52 < waxwing> (well the argument only properly arises in a tumbler.py kind of scenario .. anyway, long story) 14:52 < waxwing> i hope it goes without saying that it'd be better if everyone just uses the SW version for now. but people don't because inertia. that's fine. 14:55 < quitobro> ah i see, they will create the low fee join tx’s but they’ll never get confirmed (potentially) 14:56 < quitobro> man what happened to the days of bitcoin cash EDA when the bitcoin mempool would get totally cleared :( 14:56 < quitobro> haha, never thot i’d miss any aspect of bitcoin cash but here we are... 15:06 < waxwing> right but to be fair this is something we should have addressed long ago (and discussed several time), but never did: the maker should be able to decide on whether to accept the tx based on fees. 15:07 < waxwing> it's prob fairly easy to code actually; but it opens up the can of worms which has lain unopened for like a year or two: fix up how fees work in JM properly. 16:04 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:12 < dx25> is anyone running joinmarket on bcash? 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