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08:15 < waxwing> if anyone's thinking about running a yieldgen please do :) tons of txs at the moment and i've only seen 15-18 bots in the segwit pit
08:16 < waxwing> seems about same number in non-segwit
08:17 < waxwing> ok, 19 now, after refresh, slightly more actually
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11:06 < raedah> arubi: i cant use the install script since it looks apt specific.
11:06 < raedah> AlexCato, I did do source jmvenv/bin/active but still get the error
11:06 < raedah> activate
11:07 < arubi> raedah, it only tries apt but you can install the deps yourself if needed
11:08 < arubi> you'll probably need to comment out the 'if ! deb_deps_install; then' part though.  I did have a branch for other OSes (which do you use?), but I left it out
11:11 < waxwing> (the manual instructions are here raedah , no doubt you already saw, but just in case: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md)
11:15 < arubi> oh and actually, here's the PR with commands for centos and fedora : https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/pull/71/files
11:15 < arubi> oh right, manual install also
11:15 < raedah> i needed to do setupall.py
11:15 < raedah> ok joinmarketd.py is running
11:16 < arubi> \o/     
11:18 < waxwing> raedah, oh, you're running it separately?
11:18 < raedah> well, im not sure how the not setup works actually
11:18 < raedah> *new
11:18 < waxwing> if you leave default settings in cfg you can just go straight to the scripts/ and run wallet-tool, yg and sendpayment as normal.
11:19 < raedah> not clear what  daemon, client-only, client-bitcoin are for
11:19 < waxwing> the daemon script exists if someone wants to run it separately, but that whole approach isn't well developed yet unfortunately
11:19 < waxwing> let me point you to where this is (briefly) discussed
11:20 < waxwing> first, you will want to do the 'everything in one' version of install: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md#installing-packages-to-run-everything-in-one
11:21 < waxwing> then have a quick read through the scripts readme, in particular re: joinmarketd.py: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/tree/master/scripts#joinmarketdpy
11:22 < waxwing> it's intended to not really be different in terms of script syntax. the only annoying thing is you do have to move funds into the new p2sh segwit wallet, you can't reuse an existing wallet. on the bright side the new version is BIP39/49 compatible which makes it compatible with quite a lot of wallets now.
11:23 < waxwing> if otoh you actually want to know what 'client', 'daemon' actually mean here (i.e. what was the point) then it is described in the last section of the main README (I deliberately moved it to the end because i'm sure most non-devs would not be interested)
11:24 < waxwing> and there hasn't really been any development along those lines unfortunately. it should be possible for someone to write a front end in say javascript or whatever, but nobody's really interested in doing that kind of stuff it seems.
11:25 < arubi> waxwing, electrum changes their master key import format wrt version, so if you wanna stay compatible it needs to be changed in jm too
11:25 < waxwing> there is a Qt GUI in scripts/ (joinmarket-qt.py) that supports tumbles as well as sends (i.e. pretty much all Taker-side), i was trying to build binaries for it initially but it was all a big pain, especially for Windows, and without that much interest it just isn't worth doing more than leaving it functional from source, at least (which it should be)
11:25 < arubi> the version bytes in the base58 encoding that is
11:25 < arubi> oh but if you import from bip39 seed you can still choose the derivation path
11:26 < waxwing> arubi, all i know is last time i checked, which admittedly was a couple of months back, you could put in the custom bip49 path in the wallet load process and it worked; but electrum doesn't support accounts, unlike say trezor, so you only get the first mixdepth.
11:26 < waxwing> right
11:26 < waxwing> i mean it's not too great but it's something.
11:27 < arubi> the new stuff is here https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-docs/blob/master/xpub_version_bytes.rst
11:27 < arubi> ah I see
11:28 < arubi> so specifically if you did wanna import master xpubs\xprvs, you'll have to encode those this way now ^
11:28 < arubi> but still possible to do whatever if it's just a bip39 seed itself
11:40 < waxwing> i guess i saw it mostly as just a "oh i really want to get my joinmarket coins now and stick them on this wallet" feature, not something to be used normally since most of the time it's going to have a privacy hit. (linking addresses on a remote server say)
11:44 < arubi> that's why we have electrum personal server now \o/   but I agree, it's better to sweep a mixdepth to some other wallet if you wanna be sure you're not breaking all the work you've done already
11:44 < arubi> mix\handle the account specifically
11:45 < arubi> err, s/mix/sweep/
11:46 < raedah> waxwing: ok i think i should be able to get it up and running now thanks. Has joinmarket-clientserver pretty much replaced the old joinmarket repo now? Seems so for supporting segwit.
11:50 < waxwing> raedah, well there was talk of replacing the old repo with this one, but for one, people are still using non-segwit bitcoin, so it doesn't seem logical to ditch the old one yet, and second, it's going to be work to figure out the right way to 'overlay' or replace, anyway there's only so much enthusiasm to work on this stuff as there isn't that much usage (although it's increasing, now)
11:50 < waxwing> i mean i think there's a case for rewriting the whole thing yet again :)
11:51 < waxwing> but, i feel like, without a full and complete solution to issue 693 on the main joinmarket repo, none of us are super-duper enthused about the whole thing.
11:51 < waxwing> i still work on it, but only here and there. sort of maintaining really.
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12:35 < raedah> I see
12:36 < raedah> I also thought it was the end of the raod when when tx fees went way up, but tx fees are back down now.
12:37 < raedah> fwiw, I have dev resources to do rewrites in golang.
12:37 < raedah> not sure what the rewrite would be
12:39 < raedah> have most of the transactions moved over to the segwit market now?
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12:45 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/AlexCato] from my observation, yes. Most of the !hp command in the #joinmarket-pit and the following re-announcing of offers point to segwit
12:49 < waxwing> arubi, re: EPS, oh, that's a pretty good point i think. reminds me i want to try it out.
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12:52 < arubi> waxwing, and you can use regtest too now!  quick and easy
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