--- Day changed Sat May 12 2018
00:41 < waxwing> arubi, cool, let me know when it's ready. i'll try it out after. i think we should address the gpg failure too, although i'm not sure exactly what should be done there, but the new user experience seems to be "it just fails with no reason" from what i saw yesterday.
00:44 < arubi> I'll test it on a VM later on, see that it does what it should (I tested a while ago so wanna make sure).  as for gpg, I set curl to retry the download, so when it fails curl has already retried.  I could wrap it around another interactive prompt that asks if the user wants to keep retrying, but also we could include the pubkeys in the jm repo
00:45 < waxwing> ah ok. pubkeys in repo. yeah that's a possibility.
00:45 < arubi> the reason the install stopped should be the last line displayed on the screen (like, "Libsodium was not built. Exiting."), but it doesn't specifically mention why
00:45 < waxwing> yes that's right.
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04:50 < belcher> so localbitcoins now requires your identity to place adverts for physical meetups for cash trading
04:51 < belcher> you could imagine an alternative site which is just a message board for advertising cash trades
04:51 < belcher> but you might have a spam problem, how do you stop the site being flooded with fake ads?
04:53 < belcher> maybe you could do a reddit-type thing, where the site's users can downvote spam and/or leave reviews, but that is easy to flood with fake accounts since they'd be free to create
04:55 < waxwing> some people say it all moved to telegram (maybe a long time ago). firstly i can't keep up with all the social media and have never really "got on" telegram except just installing it and reading a few messages, but:
04:55 < waxwing> secondly, i'm not sure how reputation systems can build up on that more p2p basis
04:55 < belcher> for cash trading meetups theres no third party, not even for escrow, so its hard to prove to any third party that a trade even took place so it can be reviewed or added to reputation
04:56 < waxwing> there was that guy who got the trade frozen and reversed in london after he was robbed
04:56 < waxwing> had to go to the police of course, and i think they used cameras that were in the cafe or something
04:56 < belcher> what was that?
04:56 < waxwing> oh that was a really big story. i'd say it was like late 2016 or so.
04:57 < belcher> trade was reversed, so was he trading cash in person via localbitcoin's escrow?
04:57 < waxwing> yes     
04:57 < waxwing> the dumb robber used the system and the coins were locked
04:58 < waxwing> but anecdote isn't worth that much; there were specifics about that case, but generally of course, in person cash and escrow don't really mix
04:59 < belcher> LN could solve the problem that lbtc's escrow does, allowing instant txes
04:59 < belcher> the receiver needs a payment channel open though
05:00 < waxwing> how does that solve it? i don't see.
05:00 < belcher> lbtc's escrow makes the bitcoin tx instant
05:00 < belcher> it avoids having to wait for a confirmation
05:00 < waxwing> it solves like finney attack type stuff right
05:01 < belcher> not just finney attack but anything that works on unconfirmed txes
05:01 < waxwing> yeah it solves a practicality issue; traders currently prefer trading on lbtc and pay the fee because of that.
05:01 < waxwing> but doesn't solve the race condition of who pays first with no trust (nor the more realistic problem of violent coercion)
05:03 < belcher> the who pays first can be helped by _showing_ the cash, theres a long explaination here https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-desktop/issues/1110
05:03 < belcher> the hardest problem to solve IMO is the spam issue, where any noticeboard could be filled with spam ads
05:03 < belcher> you could solve spam by adding a cost to create the ads, but then you need to already own bitcoins to create ads, or give up identity
05:04 < belcher> i wonder how #bitcoin-otc solved the spam issue
05:04 < belcher> i guess that just never scaled very much
07:03 < arubi> ok waxwing I tested #135 on ubuntu {trusty,xenial,bionic} and debian 9.  all works.
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08:44 < waxwing> arubi, danke
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08:44 < GitHub121> [joinmarket-clientserver] AdamISZ pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpSuR
08:44 < GitHub121> joinmarket-clientserver/master 6802dca fivepiece: handle Qt deps under ubuntu\debian
08:44 < GitHub121> joinmarket-clientserver/master 8641a3a AdamISZ: Merge #135: python-qt4 libraries handling for install.sh...
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08:44 < GitHub145> [joinmarket-clientserver] AdamISZ closed pull request #135: python-qt4 libraries handling for install.sh (master...installsh_jmqt) https://git.io/vpZov
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09:34 < GitHub119> [joinmarket-clientserver] AdamISZ closed pull request #145: Specify format for "total profit" output (master...total-profit) https://git.io/vpD21
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09:34 < GitHub187> [joinmarket-clientserver] AdamISZ pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpSgX
09:34 < GitHub187> joinmarket-clientserver/master d61e0b0 Kristaps Kaupe: Specify format for "total profit" output...
09:34 < GitHub187> joinmarket-clientserver/master d852633 AdamISZ: Merge #145: Specify format for "total profit" output...
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23:20 < GitHub32> [joinmarket-clientserver] venzen opened pull request #148: import wallet.SegwitWallet to tumbler.py script (master...minor-fix) https://git.io/vpSpH
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23:36 < arubi> I don't understand why travis isn't running
23:42 < arubi> there's a new "Checks" tab between "Commits" and "Files changed" now, maybe related..
23:56 < arubi> oh maybe because venzen isn't registered on travis