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04:34 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CatoAlex] test... is it just really quiet in here the past days or do the relays not work?
04:36 < arubi> test passed.  yea it's quiet
04:55 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CatoAlex] ok, no need to go on a bughunt then :) Thanks.
04:55 < arubi> yw     
04:59 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/belcher] the cyberguerilla relay doesnt seem to work
05:00 < arubi> yea you're right
05:19 < waxwing> i think i notice all my privmsg-ing with counterparties is going over agora. are bots silenced on cgan or something?
05:27 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CatoAlex] looks like the bot is not in the cgan-channel. Checking logs...
05:28 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CatoAlex] it cant seem to connect to cgan on clearnet
05:29 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CatoAlex] and the bot doesnt allow tor proxying :(
07:01 < belcher> anyone listened to this? http://unchainedpodcast.co/how-chainalysis-helps-solve-crimes-jonathan-levin-tells-all-ep62
07:01 < belcher> apparently less than 10% of criminals use tumblers lol
07:01 < belcher> although he's referring to centralized tumbler so
07:04 < waxwing> i couldn't listen to it as i thought it would annoy me :) but then i also don't like laura shin, so it's a double whammy there.
07:04 < belcher> maybe they'll be a transcript somewhere
07:04 < waxwing> hmm yeah i think centralized tumblers are well on the way out, but that's just part of the broader trend of DNMs not using btc, i think(?)
07:05 < waxwing> in particular last year fee event. stating obvious.
07:05 < belcher> another thing this guy said is ransomware uses bitcoin not monero
07:05 < belcher> because of adoption/network effect
07:05 < belcher> i think the monero/altcoin thing might be overstated
07:05 < waxwing> yes that was noticeable all through 16/17, i think there was like 1 or 2 that used xmr, but it was dumb to do so of course.
07:06 < belcher> i think its worth listening.. maybe speed up the playback so the voices sound different
07:06 < waxwing> prob same story on DNMs though i don't follow the news in that area. get the vague impression it's died down.
07:06 < belcher> i used to browse r/darknetmarkets to keep an eye on it but that got shut down
07:07 < belcher> apparently all the actual users moved to some tor forums but i never took the effort to find the new place
07:07 < belcher> i dont know why it wouldve died down, some people like drugs and that doesnt go away
07:07 < waxwing> oh yeah, i actually forgot that. yeah, there is at least one tor forum that i heard about and thought, i want to go there, but now i've forgotten the name.
07:07 < waxwing> well it could die down due to endless failures.
07:07 < belcher> r/darknetmarketsnoobs is still up which has links
07:08 < waxwing> every time anything gets anywhere near critical mass it gets killed in a very damaging way.
07:08 < belcher> i dont know about that, the endless failures got publicised but the successes dont
07:08 < belcher> in the same way that bitcoin price crashes get into the mainstream news but rallys dont
07:08 < belcher> there were a good couple of DNMs that just shut down and disappeared on their own one day, presumably the operators made it out freely
07:08 < waxwing> true but it's a matter of scale. like there's one russian market that's done really well but is invite only and so can't be anything like silk road.
07:09 < waxwing> you can't get genuine scale if people don't know about it.
07:09 < belcher> one site called agora actually exited honestly, they gave people a chance to withdraw money instead of just stealing it
07:09 < belcher> so that makes me think the incentive to do is still there, since you might get away with it
07:10 < belcher> would be interesting to see if any DNM adopts LN
07:10 < belcher> now that the tor HS LN node feature was made
07:11 < belcher> now this podcast is discussing getting around sanctions on NK/iran
07:20 < waxwing> i heard levchin tout his wares more before (e.g. on replyall). reason i wasn't interested is because she's not appropriately critical of claims (not uncommon!)
07:20 < waxwing> re: DNM, of course the incentive to do it is there; the question is whether the users find it attractive any more. not that i have any idea, though.
07:21 < waxwing> sorry levin not levchin
07:21 < belcher> ah ok
07:21 < belcher> on the sanction question, he didnt actually answer it :p
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09:23  * adlai has no moral qualms about not helping stupid criminals
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