--- Day changed Wed Jul 25 2018 00:21 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pibwchriqnbanpyv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:12 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 02:21 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:45 < waxwing> did we ever consider a model where the taker advertises an endpoint (like an onion address) and then does the join coordination on his HS? 03:45 < waxwing> i guess that would still mean using something like IRC for advertising offers (and probably !fill messages) 03:48 < undeath> to improve maker anonymity? 03:51 < waxwing> mostly to simplify the interaction, and to avoid too much interaction over a public server 03:51 < waxwing> i hadn't thought about it that much in terms of maker anonymity. they still hvae to publicise offers right, whatever the model 03:53 < undeath> ah, I thought your idea involved the takers setting up the offers 03:53 < undeath> I mean, in the same way you could have the makers set up HS and only announce their offers + onion address 03:55 < undeath> I'm not sure this will really improve anything though 03:58 < waxwing> well but taker should be the one with the HS, or other endpoint, because he's the coordinator of the transaction 03:59 < waxwing> it gets you all the other stuff like E2E encryption between the taker and each maker too i guess. 04:02 < undeath> you get E2E encryption either way 04:10 < waxwing> no question 04:12 < undeath> with maker-side HS you don't need any interation between taker + maker on irc 04:13 < undeath> with taker-side HS the taker has to inform the maker on irc about the HS it set up 04:53 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #joinmarket 05:06 < waxwing> undeath, yeah. but multiple makers one taker, and taker organizes join (receives more information than maker) 05:07 < waxwing> and yeah, it's not a very interesting thought, necessarily, given the need to broadcast offers anyway; but maybe it's worth thinking abou tif, for some reason, people wanted to avoid IRC and broadcast offers "somewhere else" 05:23 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:26 < undeath> it's a bi-directional connection and it's more natural for the "server" (maker) to offer a way of establishing it 05:27 < undeath> also saves some hassle for takers to set up tor even further 05:27 < undeath> they'd at least need to set up the tor rpc 07:20 < waxwing> yes it's bidirectional, but it's one to many. taker constructs tx from everyone's ins and outs, makers don't have all that info. 08:00 < arubi> I think the issue with letting someone run a server is that you have to start thinking about security of that server software, or how to protect against DoS (so a malicious maker can't make the taker unreachable for the rest) 08:12 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@185.65.135.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31 < waxwing> good point, yes 08:39 < technonerd> on the tor side theres vanguard plugin for HS that helps prevent DoS, guard discovery, and bandwidth attacks 08:41 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #joinmarket 08:43 < waxwing> also a good point technonerd :) 08:56 -!- viasil [~viasil@134.19.180.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:59 -!- viasil [~viasil@134.19.180.167] has joined #joinmarket 09:01 -!- Anduck [~Anduck@unaffiliated/anduck] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:07 -!- Anduck [~Anduck@unaffiliated/anduck] has joined #joinmarket 09:56 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@38.132.120.4] has joined #joinmarket 09:59 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@c-73-15-211-93.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #joinmarket 10:12 -!- mrkent_tt [~textual@c-73-15-211-93.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 10:26 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzuzmlnjyedeiqqk] has joined #joinmarket 10:41 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:41 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 12:45 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:37 < undeath> is "therealraven" a troll or just bad at reading and writing down his thoughts? 14:18 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzuzmlnjyedeiqqk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:38 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:51 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined #joinmarket 16:25 -!- undeath [~undeath@unaffiliated/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 16:41 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #joinmarket 16:58 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@38.132.120.4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AFED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:28 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AD0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:00 -!- MaxSan [~user@185.9.19.107] has joined #joinmarket 19:53 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vooyrcxsxamblymk] has joined #joinmarket 20:12 -!- qubenix [~qubenix@178-175-142-195.static.as43289.net] has joined #joinmarket 21:27 < arubi> doesn't seem like a troll but yea I have a hard time following his logic. 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