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03:02 < d3spwn> @belcher if i want to connect an eps to a jm wallet, can i use the same watch only wallet in bitcoin core or should i create a seperate one?
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04:48 < d3spwn> i know you said previously not to do it and just use direct send, but i'm looking for some coin control features which send-payment doesnt have as far as i can tell
04:49 < d3spwn> specificly direct send specific utxo's
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07:29 < belcher> d3spwn: it makes more sense to use joinmarket's bitcoin-rpc mode instead of eps
07:29 < belcher> eps is the same thing as bitcoin-rpc but with it also implementing the electrum protocol
07:30 < belcher> but if you still want to do it, you'll need a different wallet.dat because eps and jm use different address labels
07:30 < belcher> both eps and jm support bitcoin core's multiwallet feature
07:40 <@waxwing> d3spwn, if you want to send specific utxos (very logical desire) in JM it'd be trivial to add it to the command line version of direct-send. maybe open an issue, if you or anyone else wants to code a primitive version as a single command line option specifying a utxo that'd be good.
07:41 <@waxwing> there's already a showutxos method for the wallet-tool so that helps i guess. again, thinking of command line only, it'd be slightly more of a task on the gui.
07:41 < undeath> or if you prefer a gui you can import the key to a new electrum wallet and send from there
07:42 < undeath> that is, if you don't want to cj
07:43 <@waxwing> belcher, i saw your accounts deprecation notes, thanks for that. i am very busy with non-code work, have been travelling, also been looking at lnd code a lot in the odd moments so not working much on JM right now. if anyone wants to implement belcher 's suggestions please do.
07:43 <@waxwing> see https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/185 for context
07:43 <@waxwing> undeath, yeah he did say 'direct send'. clearly it'd be nice to do it for coinjoins too, that's only a tiny bit more complex, although it'd probably require more on the testing side. a bit more work.
07:45 < belcher> ill probably implement it
07:46 <@waxwing> cheers
07:47 < belcher> one thing i was thinking more generally, would it be productive to do more public relations for joinmarket to get more users? since im a mod of r/bitcoin now i can easily make it a sticky one week
07:47 < belcher> i noticed there seems to be a lot of demand for privacy (although it might just be demand for _future_ privacy, as people are always more excited about stuff that doesnt exist yet)
07:49 < undeath> lol     
07:49 < undeath> the more people use jm, the better it gets
07:49 < undeath> can't go wrong with advertisement
07:50 < belcher> ok, ill check the tutorials are still good, then in a few days write something and sticky it (after the scriptless scripts thread gets unstickied)
07:50 < d3spwn> belcher i'm not sure what you mean with using jm btc-rpc mode?
07:51 < undeath> that's jm's default mode of operation
07:51 < belcher> d3spwn: it means having jm connect to bitcoin core over rpc, as opposed to electrum server or something else
07:51 < belcher> you configure it by putting `bitcoin-rpc` in joinmarket.cfg (?)
07:52 < undeath> blockchain_source = bitcoin-rpc
07:52 < d3spwn> but that doesnt allow you to spend from a specific address though does it?
07:53 < d3spwn> i was thinking using electrum to do that
07:53 < d3spwn> hence the eps question
07:54 < belcher> ok i get it
07:55 < belcher> id say use the joinmarket seed and import it into electrum (which understands bip39), then follow the rest of the tutorial for using eps
07:56 < undeath> or create a new electrum wallet using only the wif for the single address you want to spend from and use a regular electrum server through tor
07:56 < d3spwn> thats what i'm doing. i just wanted to know if i could reuse the jm wallet or if i should make a new one for eps. but you awnsered that question
07:56 < belcher> undeath's suggestion works too, the electrum server would only learn of that one address (and wouldnt link it your ip address)
07:59 < d3spwn> i thought about that, but i didnt think it wise to output all my private keys to the screen
07:59 < belcher> you can output just one, using -H (iirc)
07:59 < belcher> wallet-tool -H
08:00 < d3spwn> ah, i missed that option
08:00 < d3spwn> thanks
08:00 < belcher> btw how do you turn off --fast sync in joinmarket-qt ? (someone on reddit is asking)
08:00 < undeath> does eps somehow obscure the tx source?
08:01 < undeath> eg by using tor
08:02 < belcher> no (not yet)
08:02 < belcher> its in the plan
08:03 < belcher> so maybe get the txhex and broadcast over tor browser on a blockchain explorers web interface
08:03 < belcher> electrum at least makes it easy to get the txhex
08:04 < undeath> sending the tx to a tor-connected electrum server is less hassle ;)
08:07 <@waxwing> belcher, good Q re: --fast, i'm afraid i may not have made that possible ...
08:08 < belcher> :s this redditor will have to use the cli then
08:14 < d3spwn> are the walletnotify and alertnotify options still needed in the new jm btw?
08:14 <@waxwing> well, maybe. it depends what the problem is.
08:14 <@waxwing> d3spwn, no
08:15 <@waxwing> "--fast" is mislabeled, really, it's just another way of doing it. you can tell him to try the `master` branch belcher because that is using a new wallet sync algo from undeath 
08:15 < d3spwn> i'm doing an eps rescan, and i'm getting spammed by these notifications now :)
08:15 <@waxwing> i tested it on Qt, it seems to work fine, except there's a GUI freeze during sync (which was a failure pre- undeath's update anyway)
08:16 <@waxwing> well not literally totally mislabeled, it was faster in certain common circumstances, but not all, and it wasn't like a fast sync that sacrifices some security property, so ... well, anyway :)
08:17 < belcher> alternotify certainly not as its been removed from core, walletnotify i think not because now jm polls listtransactions instead
08:17 <@waxwing> yes, not needed
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