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09:42 < belcher> adlai can you help us understand what you like about the "joinmarket classic" as you call it
09:42 < belcher> from my point of view the new rewrite is better in every way, so theres no reason to keep around the old version except as history
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10:07 < adlai> ok. i don't like anything specific, beyond the fact that i am much more familiar with that codebase than the rewrite. i'm working on reversing that, as part of adapting the coincurve commit (i assume that's not a waste of my time!)
10:08 < undeath> major advantage of the rewrite is segwit
10:09 < adlai> but fwiw, i recently tried to test whether any of the non-segwit yield generators respond to utxo commitments from segwit inputs, which would indicate whether anyone is offering non-segwit liquidity using the rewrite; and it appears that no, the market still has people other than myself who have yet to move all their liquidity over to the new codebase, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY USE SEGWIT OR NOT.
10:10 < adlai> as far as my reasons for hesitating to immediately jump to the newest code are concerned, segwit is irrelevant.
10:10  * adlai offers liquidity of both kinds.
10:12 < adlai> words cannot express how grateful i am that waxwing put in the effort to refactor belcher 's codebase, it's just that i prefer actually understanding the machine before using it to mow my lawn.
10:14 < undeath> i don't think testing usage of cs/non-sc works with commitments, did you have any positive indicator?
10:14 < belcher> from my point of view those people who use joinmarket classic really should update
10:15 < belcher> i know web designers still have to take into account the few % of users who still use IE6, thats a bad thing
11:01 < qubenix> why don't you have detached sigs or signed hashes with releases? im writing a guide and the os doesn't come with git, how can i download and verify joinmarket?
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11:13 < undeath> the source code files are automatically generated by github, I'm not sure they're deterministic to begin with
11:16 < belcher> they are
11:16 < belcher> i do something for signing for electrum personal server
11:17 < belcher> but until that is done for joinmarket (i can do it) its probably best to clone the github and use git log --show-signature
11:21 < qubenix> yeah, im just going to have to add a step for adding git. we'll have to see what nopara says about joinmarket wallet when i finish this guide for using all jm scripts from a vm without any networking.
11:26 < qubenix> oh he already gave us 4 marks in security. earlier it was blank and i got triggered. >.<
11:46 < waxwing> qubenix, yeah i never really thought about it like that; i just put detached sigs on binaries, assuming that open code + signed commits was enough for code, but can see no hurt in detached sigs for code releases. (on the zip presumably)
11:52 < qubenix> just put a signed sha256sums file with each release would be best from my perspective. i was interested in the tar.gz. whonix doesn't come with git and i was trying to avoid installing packages on its template. but now that im further into the guide i think it's unavoidable.
11:54 < waxwing> yeah got it, sorry forgot tar.gz, not zip.
12:01 < qubenix> i'm curious how many of the packages that get put into the virtual env could i install via apt-get. has anyone else tried/had success in avoiding pip?
12:05 < undeath> depends on your distri, but I'm pretty sure you will find something that's not available
12:05 < undeath> pyopenssl and pynacl should be available
12:06 < qubenix> debian stretch, but i can pull packages from backports and whatnot if needed. whonix devs hate pip so i would like to avoid it, even in the virtual env.
12:07 < undeath> well, see if you can find "service-identity" or "mnemonic"
12:10 < undeath> at least with the latest github version you'll run into problems. bencode.pyx argon2_cffi
12:11 < qubenix> i found python-mnemonic and python{,3}-service-identity. i'll be using tag v0.3.5.
12:11 < undeath> if those two are available you can probably manage with 0.3.5
12:11 < qubenix> :DDD
12:13 < undeath> oh, secp256k1
12:14 < undeath> I don't see any python-related package for that
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12:24 < qubenix> right, just found that myself
12:29 < qubenix> damn, the libsodium release from v0.3.5 install file is 404.
12:29 < undeath> you need to add "/old" to the uri somewhere
12:29 < undeath> it's fixed in master
12:30 < qubenix> thx     
12:30 < undeath> but that's really something you should be able to install from the repos
12:34 < undeath> actually it's a dependency of python-libnacl even
12:35 < qubenix> cool, thank you
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13:57 < qubenix> should be a new release because of the install.sh libsodium issue, no? otherwise i have to make the guide use master which seems unsafe. the install script ignores the fact that libsodium is installed already and fails.
13:58 < undeath> just don't use the install script?
13:58 < undeath> setupall.py is all you need
13:58 < qubenix> ah thanks, i was being an idiot. :)
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