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04:05 < waxwing> belcher, seen the counter-arguments on UIH2 on the dev list? thoughts?
04:05 < waxwing> qubenix, yeah .. shame about the website :)
04:05 < belcher> nope, ill look
04:06 < waxwing> yeah the BIP79 thread, i guess you didn't realise but i tried to re-start (necro) that thread, hoping to get more interest and flesh out some details
04:07 < waxwing> Ryan has taken a more or less, "nah I'm not really interested in changing things" attitude, which is a bit off-putting, but otoh *most* of the points are genuinely arguable.
04:08 < waxwing> so in a sense i don't think there's a problem with Ryan per se, it's more that it's such a struggle to get anyone to be interested/involved and have an opinion. i wish samourai would get involved instead of just doing their own thing and then ending it there. (and often not documenting what the heck they're doing, either)
04:14 < waxwing> arubi, any reason not to merge #320 straight away?
04:15 < waxwing> d3spwn, i think i may be able to test #323 myself (have access to win10), so i'll do that before i merge it
04:22 < d3spwn> it may be worth pointing out there are other x servers for windows, but the one i suggested works out of the box
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04:53 < belcher> waxwing very interesting, so the vast majority of wallets break UIH2 anyway
04:53 < belcher> if so then UIH2 is basically nothing to worry about
04:54 < belcher> in fact doesnt joinmarket violate UIH2 for anything other then 'default' merge algorithm
04:54 < belcher> so essentially all yield generators
04:55 < waxwing> belcher, vast majority? why do you say that?
04:55 < belcher> im quoting ryan
04:55 < waxwing> weren't the statistics 66/33 in favour of not breaking?
04:55 < belcher> "And wallets already don't care about violating UIH2(as a way to do implicit consolidation). If 30% of tx's are violating it, you can be pretty sure it means the _vast majority_ of wallets run coin selection in such a way that can violation UIH2. "
04:56 < waxwing> the vast majority "don't care about it", that much is true i'm sure, but the point is that naive algos will tend to not break it
04:56 < waxwing> Core's SRD came out of murch's thesis, and it's only one way that things can work. i tried to look into electrum but didn't get into the weeds enough. there is some randomisation there, that's about all i know.
04:57 < waxwing> anyway i do think Zmn's argument is good, but see my counterpoint (not that it's anything new to you, we already discussed it)
04:58 < belcher> did you send it recently? your reply isnt on the ML
04:58 < waxwing> yesterday night. might still not be up, i'll check.
04:59 < waxwing> yeah it's not there yet; basically i just said "i think your logic is correct but not watertight - receiver adding utxo changes distribution. and if merchant, may tend to aggregate larger and larger utxo and then break heavily as a result"
05:00 < waxwing> as per our earlier "uih2 tends to get broken if only using payjoin"
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08:08 < qubenix> payjoin in optech news: https://bitcoinops.org/en/newsletters/2019/01/29/
08:10 < waxwing> cool :)
08:15 < waxwing> now let me just gather those usage stats .. oh wait :)
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09:28 < Sentineo> yep just read optech :)
09:28 < Sentineo> I like how compact yet informative that newsletter is
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10:55 < technonerd> where are lock files located i started the script before bitcoind was finished verify some blocks
11:04 < undeath> right next to the wallet file
11:09 < technonerd> ok thanks
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11:34 < arubi> waxwing, I believe it's ready.  worst case scenario, revert is very easy by just checking out the .travis.yml file from the commit prior :)
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11:36 < GitHub192> [joinmarket-clientserver] AdamISZ pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fh1k0
11:36 < GitHub192> joinmarket-clientserver/master ba4ae04 fivepiece: conditionally run docker tests on travis...
11:36 < GitHub192> joinmarket-clientserver/master 2d57efd AdamISZ: Merge #320: conditionally run docker tests on travis...
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11:36 < GitHub198> [joinmarket-clientserver] AdamISZ closed pull request #320: conditionally run docker tests on travis (master...travis_reduce_tests) https://git.io/fh6Mo
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