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11:56 < undeath> belcher, thanks for the link to your gist on that github issue. That's exactly what I was talking about yesterday.
11:57 < belcher> yw     
11:57 < belcher> which gist? i forgot what i linked
11:57 < undeath> https://gist.github.com/chris-belcher/c8219fe6283b8f97116aeccaf1190c07
11:57 < belcher> ooh     
11:57 < belcher> i thought you mean linked in this channel hah
12:40 < belcher> i just came across this study of joinmarket made by coin tracking company https://www.neutrino.nu/docs/JoinMarket.pdf
12:40 < belcher> founded in 2016 according to their website
12:41 < belcher> based in milan, italy apparently
12:42 < belcher> i suppose they werent as successful at bullshitting^H^H^H^Hpublic relations which is why they're not as famous as chainalysis?
12:43 < belcher> also im writing a short bitcoin wiki page about the concept of a coin tracking company, im thinking of using the name "transaction spying company" as its the most accurate description, although its a bit loaded as a name
12:44 < belcher> "transaction surveillance company" also works i guess, or even "bitcoin surveillance company" because in theory they try to also spy on holders who dont even make many transactions
12:44 < undeath> "blockchain analyst" is usually used, no?
12:46 < belcher> they use non-blockchain methods too, like setting up electrum servers and nodes that collect bip37 filters, plus im sure in future they'll try to spy on LN users which dont use the blockchain much
12:46 < undeath> ah, I see
12:47 < belcher> even if you do blockchain analysis you still need a so-called identity point, which is where you link a name to the wallet cluster(s)
12:47 < undeath> "bitcoin surveillance company" seems accurate
12:48 < belcher> they also do it for altcoins, idk
12:49 < undeath> "cryptocurrency network surveilance company" is a bit unhandy
12:55 < belcher> the neutrino paper says that within 18 months of joinmarket starting it had 16,000 funding transactions, over 65,000 btc transited through it (with contemporary value of 31 million USD)
12:56 < belcher> 18 months makes it at july 2016 or so
12:56 < belcher> i think malte's paper found a similar value
12:57 < belcher> 10,000 btc out of those 65,000 were unspent at the time of writing
12:58 < belcher> then they use cluster analysis and find that 827 btc, 525 btc and 254 btc respectively are sent to BTC-e, localbitcoins and bitstamp
12:59 < belcher> together thats about 1600btc or about 10% of that total value above (if my maths isnt wrong)
12:59 < belcher> they also do IP address tracking of the outgoing transactions(!)
13:00 < belcher> in much of its history joinmarket was able to broadcast transactions over tor or by sending them to a random maker, so that IP address analysis could be wrong
13:01 < undeath> they listed txes that were send over tor separately
13:01 < belcher> south korea is the top country, followed by the US, followed by tor, then GB, germany
13:01 < belcher> yep     
13:01 < belcher> there used to be a guide for running joinmarket on tails so thats another way to torify the whole thing
13:02 < belcher> then they have another graph for tracking the outflow transactions (rather than inflow), this goes US, canada, south korea, GB, DE, TOR
13:02 < belcher> so going from that, people send money to joinmarket in south korea and take it out in america
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