--- Day changed Tue Mar 12 2019 00:48 < fluffypony> d3spwn: you could mandate coinjoin via soft-fork 00:48 < fluffypony> if everything uses coinjoin then nothing can be suspect 00:48 < fluffypony> but I would expect that to receive a great deal of push-back 02:06 < d3spwn> but then authorities would view any use of the coin suspect 02:07 < d3spwn> i think its pretty clear they have no regard for what is technically reasonable. just look at the questionnaire that was send out in canada recently 02:13 < fluffypony> d3spwn: but that's like them viewing every kitchen knife as suspect because some are used in crimes 02:13 < fluffypony> CoinCenter is already starting to make the case for privacy to regulators 02:13 < fluffypony> https://coincenter.org/entry/the-case-for-electronic-cash 02:14 < fluffypony> direct PDF link to the report: https://coincenter.org/files/2019-02/the-case-for-electronic-cash-coin-center.pdf 02:17 < d3spwn> i'm not saying what they're doing is right, but i do think it's something to point out when promoting coinjoins. if done naively it could end up getting the use in more trouble 02:18 < d3spwn> depending on the particular jurisdiction obviously 02:23 < d3spwn> one dutch exchange for example said something along the lines of if your coins come from a mixer then they cant be clean and we cant take them 03:01 < waxwing> coincenter is worse than useless imo. lobbying is vile. 05:45 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@96.44.143.234] has joined #joinmarket 05:45 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@96.44.143.234] has quit [Changing host] 05:45 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #joinmarket 06:07 < waxwing> belcher, just listened this morning, great podcast, thanks for that. i suspect a lot of people didn't actually read the article but they'll got a lot of points from that. 06:07 < waxwing> i do have one gripe though, installing joinmarket nowadays is not as you described it there, because of arubi_ 's work it's like literally `./install.sh` 06:08 < waxwing> i've for a long time been of the opinion that the biggest barrier to usage is running a full node, people really don't want to do that. 06:08 < belcher> hmm good point 06:08 < waxwing> but also our docs are both fragmented and not too good, that doesn't help. 06:08 < belcher> i suppose i havent installed it in a while... also i think the last time i tried install.sh didnt work for me and i took some fixing, but since then its been fixed upstream 06:09 < waxwing> yeah. moving to coincurve probably helped quite a bit 06:09 < waxwing> because that was occasionally a pain point, the secp binding wasn't great 06:09 < belcher> what do you think of this method of sync'ing? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Address_query_via_onion_routing 06:09 < belcher> i.e. query a different electrum server for each address via a different tor circuit 06:10 < waxwing> ah ok so the first bit, not the network of servers? 06:11 < belcher> what do you mean? 06:11 < waxwing> i guess it might depend on the overall traffic to electrum servers, i guess it's quite large. if it was small it wouldn't help that much. 06:12 < waxwing> i guess if you don't mind sacrificing convenience a bit, i.e. get your balance over a period of hours (or at least many minutes), then, it seems like a good idea? 06:13 < belcher> if you're willing to sacrifice time a little bit then we could implement client-side block filtering, since thats also not instant 06:14 < waxwing> oh you mean for JM? yes. 06:14 < belcher> full node is still the only way to get perfect sync privacy, but these other methods might be good defaults 06:14 < waxwing> i was thinking about doing it ever since nopara showed me wasabi in lisbon, i thought, yeah, that's a good tradeoff. 06:15 < waxwing> yeah agreed not perfect, but probably a good tradeoff; meanwhile was kind of waiting/hoping for Core merge 06:15 < waxwing> but it seems that's not entirely uncontroversial? 06:15 < waxwing> without that you'd have to do something a bit dodgy and maybe impractical. 06:16 < belcher> doesnt wasabi do by hosting a server that serves filters 06:16 -!- siom [~siom@195.242.213.155] has joined #joinmarket 06:16 < belcher> having that PR merged into core means the p2p network would do that job instead 06:16 < waxwing> that's what i meant 06:17 < belcher> yes 06:17 < waxwing> yeah we def agree on that. but to be clear, haven't looked even at all at coding/algo stuff for bip157/8 06:20 < waxwing> thinking about doing a basic coin control PR, then people can comment on it 06:20 < belcher> sounds good 06:20 < belcher> i dont know why else people might not be using JM 06:21 < belcher> any idea how easy it is to use on windows? 06:33 < waxwing> belcher, as was pointed out to me recently, on win10 it's trivial, because you can cheat - you just run it in the linux subsystem thing 06:33 < waxwing> i know it's easy enough, since i did it myself. someone here wrote up a simple guide. 06:33 < belcher> wow great 06:34 < waxwing> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/INSTALL.md#installation-on-windows 06:34 < waxwing> but you need bitcoin core on your windows machine, so, again, not a big population of people will go to the trouble, i think 07:00 -!- Comstock- [Comstock@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/comstock] has joined #joinmarket 07:05 -!- siom [~siom@195.242.213.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05 -!- siom [~siom@195.242.213.155] has joined #joinmarket 07:08 -!- Michail1 [~Michail@michail.com] has joined #joinmarket 07:09 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Comstock_, nkuttler, M1 07:09 -!- Michail1 is now known as M1 07:41 -!- nkuttler [~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler] has joined #joinmarket 07:50 -!- siom [~siom@195.242.213.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 14:19 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.4] 17:34 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- harding [~quassel@li1258-130.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 18:46 -!- harding [~quassel@li1258-130.members.linode.com] has joined #joinmarket 18:59 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4ABE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:59 -!- Cory [Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:06 -!- Cory [Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has joined #joinmarket 19:11 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A6BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 19:21 -!- viasil [~viasil@185.107.94.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:28 -!- viasil [~viasil@185.107.94.165] has joined #joinmarket 19:55 -!- raedah [~x@184.75.223.203] has joined #joinmarket 20:29 -!- viasil [~viasil@185.107.94.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:33 -!- viasil [~viasil@185.107.94.165] has joined #joinmarket 21:21 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 21:31 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 21:34 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36 -!- lukedashjr is now known as luke-jr 21:42 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 23:45 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]