--- Day changed Tue Mar 19 2019 00:02 -!- Xeha [~Xeha@unaffiliated/k1773r] has joined #joinmarket 03:20 < waxwing> i think i can envision a scenario where that makes sense. e.g. suppose you have two utxos A and B that are outputs of coinjoins so (simplified) are 'anonymised'. if you use them both to fund channels as the same LN pubkey then at least to your counterparty they get linked. something like that? 03:22 < waxwing> LN has stickier identities than the almost 100% ephemeral identities ('addresses') in the base layer, that's unfortunate but doubtless somewhat necessary due to the online-ness of it. 03:36 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:09 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47 < belcher> if you have two utxos A and B outputs of coinjoins and spend them together /anywhere/ then their relationship is leaked (?) 06:27 < waxwing> belcher, oh; but i meant, you spend them separately, opening two different channels with the same c/p 06:27 < waxwing> admittedly this was just after my morning coffee and i didn't think very carefully :) 06:28 < belcher> it would link them together if you used the same ip address or onion 06:28 < waxwing> or LN pubkey was my thinking 06:28 < waxwing> well, not my thinking, i was trying to interpret takinbo 's quote 06:28 < belcher> surely LN doesnt reuse pubkeys? 06:28 < waxwing> the node pubkey 06:28 < waxwing> that's what i meant about it being less ephemeral than base layer. 06:28 < belcher> but multiple people can open payment channels to the same node? 06:29 < belcher> say belcher and waxwing both open a payment channel with bitrefill 06:30 < waxwing> well my scenario above was that you open another channel with the same counterparty as the first time. perhaps that's irrelevant, because it would be the same base layer: if i pay you with utxo B and then I pay you with utxo A, if you know who I am, then A and B are linked even if distinct txs. 06:30 < waxwing> so i guess my point is not really about LN really? 06:31 < belcher> i think even if you open another channel with the same counterparty, its not visible to passive observers that both channels are owned by the same person (unless the same IP or onion is used) 06:31 < waxwing> yeah and anyway i was thinking about a superficial (even stupid) example, because directly paying a counterparty on one hop is not really the point of LN 06:35 < waxwing> hmm no cancel that last sentence, that's not right. it's not about payment, it's about channel opens. duh. 08:38 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 09:01 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #joinmarket 09:14 < belcher> apparently theres a localbitcoins clone called localcoinswap.com, which probably means any eventual coinswap implementation shouldnt use the phrase coinswap in its name 09:26 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.4] 09:29 < waxwing> belcher, yeah, i think there was another thing called 'coinswap' back in the day, hence my problem registering the channel. iirc. 09:30 < waxwing> belcher, just did a podcast with crypto voices, a bit of a ramble about privacy related stuff, but i made sure to shill your Privacy article a bit in the last section :) 09:31 < belcher> ty, ill give it a listen 11:58 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:45 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 17:11 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.4] 18:51 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AB9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:02 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4ABA4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 21:10 -!- mr_burdell_ [~mr_burdel@bounce.cryptolabs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11 -!- mr_burdell [~mr_burdel@unaffiliated/mr-burdell/x-7609603] has joined #joinmarket 22:11 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 22:32 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket