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06:38 < waxwing> cgan seems to be screwed up
08:05 < waxwing> ah someone saying it's a netsplit
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08:42 < qubenix> waxwing: belcher: thanks for doing the interviews. i've really enjoyed listening to you both.
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17:14 < belcher> np thanks for listening
17:15 < belcher> hows this for an analysis, possibly obvious but maybe helpful if spelled out
17:15 < belcher> payjoin is the sender and receiver cooperating to gain privacy from third-party observers
17:16 < belcher> so if you're a sender and your adversary is the receiver then payjoin doesnt give you much privacy, so in the concrete case a user who wants to sell bitcoin at an exchange without fungibility problems causing trouble might not get much use from payjoin
17:17 < belcher> however, joinmarket and wasabi wallet are users cooperating together to gain privacy from their receivers and third-party observers, so the adversary could be either of those
17:19 < belcher> also payjoin is steganographic, which helps a lot 
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