--- Day changed Thu Apr 11 2019
01:36 -!- rob4488 [7a9a7a1e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.154.122.30] has joined #joinmarket     
01:38 < rob4488> when I list the addresses of my wallets, the xpub keys are displayed. How come that none of them, when entered in a watch-only Electrum wallet, displays the wallet's credit? Which of the xpub addresses should should I use?
02:05 < waxwing> rob4488, this doesn't answer your question, but to import a specific mixdepth (account) in electrum, you can do it from seed then specify the HD path m/...
02:06 < waxwing> as to your actual question, hmm, i'm not sure exactly how it works with the options for watch-only import. that's actually an interesting question. i have one watch-only wallet set up on electrum, but it's an electrum wallet, so that, understandably, works :)
02:07 < waxwing> hmm, if it just allows an xpub on its own, then i guess that ought to be enough ... but, i won't try to guess exactly what's going on.
02:12 < waxwing> gmaxwell, is there a trivial way to check my banlist update worked? istr there's a file in ~/.bitcoin
02:13 < side^effects> hi again waxwing, I am running a yg, I get the "[INFO] JM daemon setup complete", all IRC servers connected, but no offers in many hours.  The debug info shows "On disconnect fired, nicks_seen is now ..." every couple of seconds, sometimes a long list of users (16+), then other times it seems to reset to none or small amount, is this normal?  are there any more sanity checks i can do?
02:14 < waxwing> gmaxwell, nm, i see there's "listbanned", that'll do it
02:14 < waxwing> every couple of seconds? no that wouldn't be normal at all
02:14 < waxwing> disconnects and reconnects are common, but not that common!
02:15 < side^effects> shit
02:17 < side^effects> I've tried configuring it to only use hidden IRC servies, maybe it is misconfigured but it works with taker join operations
02:17 < waxwing> yup. tor is kinda default now, most people connect to HSs, and actualy they are if anything more reliable.
02:17 < side^effects> not keen on clearnet IRC connections when everything else is hidden
02:17 < waxwing> side^effects, hang on, let's be specific
02:18 < waxwing> are you seeing "on_disconnect fired"?
02:18 < side^effects> [DEBUG]  On disconnect fired, nicks_seen is now: {'Agora.Anarplex': {'...
02:18 < waxwing> hmm probably not that. what exactly are you seeing "every couple of seconds"
02:18 < waxwing> oh, agora.
02:18 < side^effects> the debug messages every couple of seconds yes
02:18 < waxwing> the default config right now has cgan and darkscience enabled.
02:19 < waxwing> agora has changed its behaviour and we've taken it off default because of these connection issues. you can just remove it.
02:19 < side^effects> the default config had clearnet IRC and socks disabled though, i had to comment out the onion services
02:19 < side^effects> clearnet IRC enabled + socks disabled
02:20 < waxwing> yes, true, we should probably switch what's default. but the above ^ is the reason you were having "every couple of seconds".
02:20 < side^effects> so after a short time should I bee seeing more [INFO] messages?  I just have hours of those [DEBUG] messages
02:20 < side^effects> i see
02:21 < waxwing> re not getting any joins, i eyeballed and saw about 20-25 as a reasonable estimate for the number of coinjoins in the last few hours .. .even if (a) your fees are low and (b) your amount offered is high, you only have a random chance of being involved in any one.
02:21 < waxwing> well if anything it's less than that range, not higher.
02:22 < waxwing> either directly connect to those IRC servers in your IRC client or run the ob-watcher.py script under obwatch/ to sanity check that your bot is available in the trading pit, or go to the link in the topic
02:23 < waxwing> sorry there's a limit to how much I can help
02:23 < side^effects> no problem, thanks for the help
02:25 < waxwing> if anyone can help kristapsk with #341 at all that'd be appreciated, i feel i have to make a cutoff here for a while because i want to do some work on PSBT stuff.
02:25 < rob4488> side-effects, you can check the name of your logfile, that's the 'counterparty' ID in the list, so you can see if you're "online" or not. For what I've found so far, there is very little joining activity, so don't expect much 'income' for this ;) 
02:25 < waxwing> and i guess #336 too because there, really, we just need the wallet tab to auto-update. it's stupid that it's only in the context menu.
02:28 < side^effects> thanks rob4488, and yeah the income would be just a bonus, the beauty is joining passively at breakeven/profit instead of tumbling with fees
02:36 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]     
02:48 -!- devachan1 [~devachand@vmi179228.contaboserver.net] has quit [Quit: devachan1]     
02:53 -!- devachandra [~devachand@vmi179228.contaboserver.net] has joined #joinmarket     
03:12 -!- OtherOtherMe [4f700ec6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.112.14.198] has joined #joinmarket     
03:14 < OtherOtherMe> Good morning all you back end dark web OG Bitcoiner folk.  ..salute..
03:14 < OtherOtherMe> What sorts of unspent transaction output (utxo) numbers are people dealing with after having run the yield generator for "a good long time"?  I am wondering just how split up my token-okenz gonna get doin' dis . . .  Like am I heading for having 10 (pretty much past that already, I think . . .) or 100 or 1,000 . . . 10,000?!
03:14 < OtherOtherMe> I have the "merge_algorithm" parameter set at "greedy".  I am wondering what kind of utxo counts people are ending up with after running yield generators for a good while at different input merge policy (id est: merge_algorithm parameter) settings.
03:38 < waxwing> maybe .. 30? with 'greedy' it won't get too larg
03:42 < OtherOtherMe> Mmm.  Mkay.  . . . something in an approximate range around that wouldn't be too bad.
04:15 -!- Sentineo [~Undefined@unaffiliated/sentineo] has joined #joinmarket     
06:10 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] hi, anyone selling WU account?
06:41 < waxwing> Tor_44 this channel is for discussion of joinmarket software, not other stuff, sorry no one can help here. (see topic)
06:45 -!- azizLIGHT [~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]     
06:51 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] which server can i connect
06:51 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] i cant join freenode my ip is banned
06:52 < technonerd> You need to connect to freenode hidden service if your using tor 
06:53 < rob4488> yeah it's kinda annoying, I can't use VPN with this because it's blocked … trying to mix coins but having to chat about it in the open … crazy 
06:54 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] be there on freenode in awhile
06:54 < waxwing> rob4488, you can connect to cyberguerilla (cgan) over HS and chat in #joinmarket there, it's bridged to here (as you can see above)
06:55 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] i just need it once for a tailored suit
06:55 < waxwing> i don't understand this convo why do you want to join freenode now? and if you do it doesn't really relate to this channel does it?
06:55 < waxwing> you already have access to this channel over the bridge
06:56 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] might be more opportunity ?
06:57 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] alright i just stay here on cgan
06:58 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] what are the chances not being jailed ?
06:58 < waxwing> offtopic.
06:59 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] alright cool.
06:59 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Tor_44] im just looking for a reliable WU seller
07:17 -!- azizLIGHT [~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight] has joined #joinmarket     
08:38 < az> what is the minimum amount that should be in wallet to benefit from join market transactions?
08:41 < waxwing> i probably wouldn't offer less than 0.1, though some people do. individual coinjoins don't go much lower than a million sats (0.01). just general, there are no hard and fast numbers.
08:46 < technonerd> I see plenty of. .001 cj 
08:51 < waxwing> ok thanks
09:12 < az> thank you
09:25 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/AlexCato1] 0.001 coinjoins? Arent the bitcoin transaction fees prohibitively expensive for these small amounts?
09:28 < technonerd> You get a whopping 1 Satoshi for it 
09:28 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/AlexCato1] thats the coinjoin fees... but bitcoin transaction fees dont care about your coinjoin amounts, just the transaction size ;)
11:37 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]     
11:51 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #joinmarket     
12:12 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket     
12:20 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]     
12:20 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #joinmarket     
12:21 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/Corona] #joinmarket
12:36 -!- rob4488 [7a9a7a1e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.154.122.30] has quit [Quit: Page closed]     
15:30 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]     
16:21 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: harding, emilr, sosthene
16:27 -!- sosthene [~sosthene@5.51.82.169] has joined #joinmarket     
16:27 -!- harding [~quassel@li1258-130.members.linode.com] has joined #joinmarket     
16:27 -!- emilr [~emilr@unaffiliated/goregrind] has joined #joinmarket     
17:29 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4ACCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]     
17:41 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AC9C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket     
17:49 -!- OtherOtherMe [4f700ec6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.112.14.198] has quit [Quit: Page closed]